'Saving Private Ryan', Military Consultant, Captain Dale Dye

0:05Jawad MirFirst of all, thank you for your service. Appreciate it.

0:07Captain Dale DyeYou're welcome.

0:08Jawad MirI just wanna start off, Captain, with the, with your background as in, like, just mainly, you know, I know you were born a couple of months after D-Day. And how you sort of got into military and what your, evolution was i… in that. Like, just a kinda like an introduction, as much as you wanna s… discuss.

0:29Captain Dale DyeSure. I, well, I, was born in a, in a little place in, southeast Missouri. And I was fortunate enough, to go to a military school, a military high school, Missouri Military Academy. And had hopes of attending the United States Naval Academy, but, I couldn't make the grade. I didn't have the, science and math, skills. And so I was kind of at a loss to what to do. There wasn't any money, and scholarships weren't available unless you were brilliant

1:01Captain Dale Dye... In those days, and I certainly wasn't.... And so for lack of, any real ongoing, way to get there, I was, sitting one evening and, kind of feeling sorry for myself, and I noticed, this A sign out in front of a post office, and it said, had a picture of a Marine on it, with a, and ro… lantern-jawed sort of rock-solid Marine with one word up over the top. And it said, "Ready?" With a question mark, and that's all it said. And I looked at that and I said, "You know, by God, I think I am." And, the next day I went and enlisted i… in the United States Marine Corps. So I guess I come by it kind of honestly. And I had a varied career, through about 21 years, all over the world, including, wars in, Beirut, Lebanon, and in Vietnam, in, tough years of that particular war.

2:04Captain Dale DyeAnd, eventually, after the incident in, Beirut in 1983, I really felt, that I had, I had given all I really knew how to give. And I felt that, my position as a mentor and a teacher and a leader, might be challenged, and I didn't wanna fall down on that mission, and so I decided to retire.

2:30Captain Dale Dye... Fortunately I had enough, time in service, so that I could retire and have a little bit of money anyway. And I couldn't really decide what to do with myself. What now? You know, I knew that if I became a cubicle rat in some defense industry that I'd be a suicide in six months, because I'm just not that guy. I'm, I'm a, I'm a, I have a little creative bent in me that needs to be challenged regularly. The reason I write books and that sort of thing. And I knew that, you know, if I didn't do something that, scratched that itch…

3:11Captain Dale Dye... You know, I'd be one of those guys sitting on a bar stool at the DFW club and I didn't wanna do that either. So I got to thinking and, a… as I began to think about what I might bring to, the table in civilian life, the one common denominator seemed to be that, I was always a movie fan. And I'd seen what I think was every military movie there was at that point.

3:43Jawad MirRight.

3:43Captain Dale DyeNot simply because I went out of my way to see them. They, I expected them to depict my life, and they didn't. In fact, what they did was generally just piss me off, because they didn't

3:57Jawad MirOh, yeah

3:58Captain Dale Dye... They didn't have the magic that I felt, in service. And they didn't have the intensity and the verisimilitude and the reality that I knew from combat. And so, I said, "Well, you know, somebody's gotta be able to fix that. And by God, I think it ought to be me." And, of course, I knew nothing about, you know, how movies are made or anything like that. And so I did what Marines typically do. I fixed bayonets and charged out to LA and Hollywood and said, "Okay, I've got a new idea about how to make great war movies, and you need to listen to me and give me a lot of money and let me do this," and nobody was very interested. You know, the typical reaction was, "Well, look, we've made military movies for decades without y… some clown like you, and you don't have a new mousetrap. You've just, you're just dumb." and so I was about to give up actually. I said, "Well, you know, it, a great idea, just a lack of judgment and lack of knowledge and, you know, go be a cubicle rat or something."

5:06Captain Dale DyeAnd then, I discovered a little, notice in a, in one of the trade papers. I'd learned to read the trade papers. And I discovered a little notice that said, you know, "A heretofore relatively unknown writer-director by the name of Oliver Stone," was going to do a movie based on his own personal experiences as a combat infantryman in Vietnam.

5:29Jawad MirRight.

5:31Captain Dale DyeAnd I said, "Well, I can get to this guy. You know, he, if anybody's gonna understand what I'm trying to do, what my, what my barely formed methodology is, he'll understand." And I managed to get a few minutes with him, while he was cutting another movie. And I said, "Look, here's what I think is wrong with war movies. Here's why I think the performances don't ring true like you and I know them to be. And here's how I think we fix it." And I guess if it had been anybody but Oliver Stone, they'd have had me arrested as a stalker or something. But, But Oliver was willing to go that route, and he said, "Okay, I think I understand what you're trying to do. The question is, are you the guy to do it?" And I said, "Yeah, you bet your butt I am. I'm the guy. I can do this." And he gave me, 33 actors. Some guys, you know, you wouldn't have known at that time. Charlie Sheen and Willem Dafoe and Tom Berenger and…

6:30Jawad MirRight

6:31Captain Dale Dye... And, Johnny Depp, and…

6:34Jawad MirPlatoon

6:34Captain Dale Dye... Of course.

6:34Jawad MirPlatoon. Yeah.

6:36Captain Dale DyeYeah. And then, and then we made this little movie called Platoon.

6:39Jawad MirYeah.

6:39Captain Dale DyeAnd we brought it home, and lo and behold, won four Academy Awards, including Best Picture.

6:46Jawad MirRight.

6:46Captain Dale DyeA… and all of those people who had been telling me to go away, that I was a nuisance, now wanted me to work on their film.

6:53Jawad MirOf course.

6:54Captain Dale DyeAnd so that's a long expanded and somewhat boring

7:00Jawad MirNo

7:01Captain Dale Dye... How it came about, but there it is.

7:04Jawad MirNo, that's, that's, i… interesting to know because I have grown up watching military films. My dad was in military. I've seen Bridge and… Bridge over… over on River Kwai, Patton…

7:14Captain Dale DyeRight

7:14Jawad Mir... Apocalypse Now. And I think, I saw Patton, and the only thing that... I remember when I watched Patton the first time, one thing that sticks out of my… in my mind still to this day is that when the knee breaks and you see the bone sticking out. There was a scene, I don't know which character it was, I don't remember. I think it was Tom Berenger or somebody else. But that I think was the first film, maybe Apocalypse, I'm not sure. It didn't have that... It had, it... Apocalypse Now was more like a psychological thing. But Patton for sure. I mean, it was an amazing film. And did you also work on Born Fourth of July with, Oliver Stone?

7:52Captain Dale DyeYes, I did.

7:53Jawad MirOkay. Yeah. 'Cause that also, I mean, it dealt more with the aftermath, and the only person who can tell you that is the one that is actually going through it.

8:03Captain Dale DyeWell, that was certainly my opinion.

8:05Jawad MirYeah.

8:05Captain Dale DyeAnd, fortunately Oliver Stone agreed with it.

8:08Jawad MirYeah

8:08Captain Dale Dye... The interesting thing about it, as I said, people were anxious for me to work on their films after the success of Platoon. What I didn't know, was that I was beginning to generate some interest in the Hollywood establishment, if you will. And one of the, one of the folks who was a fan of my performance,.. I also sort of by accident became an actor in Platoon

8:36Jawad MirOf course

8:36Captain Dale Dye... As a commander.

8:37Jawad MirYeah.

8:38Captain Dale DyeAnd interestingly, one of the big fans of that Platoon was Steven Spielberg. I had no idea, you know, that he'd even be interested in that sort of thing, but he was. And lo and behold, I guess it was, oh, 1998 or thereabouts, 1990…

8:58Jawad MirThat's when Saving Private Ryan came out. Yeah.

9:01Captain Dale DyeYeah. I got a call, from Steven Spielberg and Tom Hanks. You know, and when you get that kind of call, you pay attention.

9:11Jawad MirSure.

9:11Captain Dale DyeAnd they brought me into a meeting and they said, "We really admired your work in Platoon." And they mentioned a couple of other films that I had done. "And we have an idea for a film, written by, a writer by the name of Robert Rodat. And we think that your method, can be used, in this particular film." And I said, "Well, of course it can, because I believe that the spirit of the warrior is the same from the Peloponnesian Wars through Star Wars. And…"

9:45Jawad MirRight.

9:45Captain Dale Dye"... And all I need to do is imbue those folks with that spirit, and then train them how to use their body and their weapons and that sort of thing. And then you've got, a true insight into the fighting man." And, Steven said, "Well, that's good because the guy that I want you to train is sitting right here," and it was Tom Hanks. And,... A… and I said, "Oh, well, I'll just get right on that." And they were very good to me. They gave me, the entire cast, and let me work with Mr. Rodat to kind of do some tweaking to the script. And lo and behold, through, a long period of training, we produced, training and production, we produced one of the most extraordinary, opening sequences, I think, of any war movie ever made in Saving Private Ryan.

10:36Jawad MirAbsolutely. Till this date, I don't think anything will ever come out, that will go beyond that. It was just, you know…

10:43Captain Dale DyeYeah. It was…

10:44Jawad MirYeah

10:44Captain Dale Dye... We had about 1,000 men on the beach, 14 armored vehicles and seven ships at sea, and I was controlling them all on a radio. And, I got, I began to understand how General Eisenhower might have felt, back in, you know, on D-Day. But that was, the beginning of a really long and, friendly and, warm professional relationship with, both, Steven Spielberg and Tom Hanks. And you're in tall cotton, when you've, when you y… have those two guys in your corner.

11:20Jawad MirRight.

11:21Captain Dale DyeAnd so when we decided to then, do the miniseries, Band of Brothers based on the Stephen Ambrose, book…

11:31Jawad MirRight

11:31Captain Dale Dye... Which we read and admired for years. Once again, I was back in that office and, they said, "Okay, here's the next one." And we went on to do Saving Private Ryan and then, we did The Pacific.

11:47Jawad MirPacific. Yeah.

11:48Captain Dale DyeAnd now we have a new one that I can't tell you a lot about, but

11:53Jawad MirThat's okay

11:54Captain Dale Dye... It's the third part of the trilogy.

11:55Jawad MirI've, I've read about, I think, the, it came in the papers that there is a new project being developed. That's all. But

12:02Captain Dale DyeThere is.

12:03Jawad MirThat…

12:03Captain Dale DyeJanuary or February, and it'll be on Apple+.

12:07Jawad MirOh, it's, it's releasing in January and February?

12:09Captain Dale DyeThat's what I hear, yeah.

12:11Jawad MirOh, so the production's already done with that?

12:13Captain Dale DyeYeah. Well, I mean, they're, they're working post, of course.

12:16Jawad MirOkay. Okay.

12:17Captain Dale DyeBut I'm told…

12:18Jawad MirI hope anyway…

12:18Captain Dale Dye... By the powers that be that, January or February.

12:22Jawad MirThat's awesome.

12:22Captain Dale DyeYou'll see the third part of the trilogy.

12:24Jawad MirI'm looking forward to that. I'm looking forward to that. Let's, let's go, if you don't mind, I just wanna kinda go back to, Oliver Stone days

12:32Captain Dale DyeOkay, sure. Sure

12:33Jawad Mir... When you worked on Born on Fourth of July, how involved were you with, Tom Cruise and his character and working with him, you know, because Tom obviously, you know, you see his work over the years, he's still a superstar, and that was the beginning of his career. I think it was his second or third major film, and he plays, a veteran on a wheelchair and with long hair and beard. How involved were you in terms of kinda going into his psychological, you know, his mind and trying to tell him? I'm sure Oliver Stone was too…

13:08Captain Dale DyeWell, it was…

13:08Jawad Mir... But y… y… you being the, consultant and expert.

13:10Captain Dale DyeAs involved as you can be, I trained Tom, for quite some time, gave him physical military training and that sort of thing, along with the entire cast that was surrounding him…

13:23Jawad MirRight

13:23Captain Dale Dye... As part of his squad for the Vietnam sequences. And we did some really great work in that, with, Bob Richardson, who was the director of photography. We got some, we got some great sequences, and because Oliver knew me very well from our association with Platoon…

13:43Jawad MirYeah

13:43Captain Dale Dye... He wanted, he wanted me very deeply involved. I mean, he knew that I had a long and turbulent history in Vietnam and he wanted, he, Tom was portraying, Tom Cruise was portraying, Ron Kovic.

13:59Jawad MirYes.

13:59Captain Dale DyeWho was a real person.

14:00Jawad MirRight.

14:00Captain Dale DyeAnd Ron was there. Ron wrote the book. And so, I trained, I trained Tom long and hard, along with the guys who surrounded him in his, in his squad, because I wanted him to understand the business of being a squad leader

14:17Jawad MirYeah

14:17Captain Dale Dye... In combat. And we trained very hard for that. And then, when we got the, Vietnam portions of that story made, up until the point where he was so badly wounded, we were, we were gonna go on to then, the Kovic story of his post-war, his anti-war…

14:40Jawad MirRight

14:40Captain Dale Dye... Involvement, so on. And I frankly thought for a while I, well, I was through. You know, they're not interested in hearing from me anymore. But, Oliver and his first assistant came to me and said, "Look, y… one of your skills really is organizing and leading people." And I said, "Yeah, that's, I've, you know, I've raised other people's children for 30 years. I kinda know what I'm doing with that." And they said, "Well, look, we would like you to come with us to Washington and we're gonna stage all the anti-war protests and that sort of thing." And I said, "Well, damn, I lived through that." You know, and it was almost as uncomfortable to me as a returning Vietnam veteran as the combat was. And so I don't know. And they said, "No. You absolutely need to do this. We need your insight. Tom needs your insight. He needs to, he needs to understand that sort of knee-jerk reaction that combat men have to that sort of rejection and..." And I said, "Okay, I'll, I'll go along and see if I can do this."

15:43Captain Dale DyeAnd I did. And we did all of those extraordinary scenes of protest in Washington. And, i… an interesting little, addition to that comment is that was the first time I had done anti-war protests. And of course I'm not anti-war. It was my life for the longest time. But, the second time I did it was when we did, Forrest Gump with

16:15Jawad MirRight

16:15Captain Dale Dye... With Tom…

16:16Jawad MirTom Hanks

16:17Captain Dale Dye... Tom Hanks, and they said the same thing to me. They said, "Well, look, you know all about this protest stuff. Come on with us in, to Washington." And I said, "Wait a minute. I did this in…" "... In Born on the Fourth of July." They said, "No, you, we need you." And so I ended up, I've, I've sort of done both sides of the coin, if you will. I've done the…

16:36Jawad MirYou're right

16:37Captain Dale Dye... The volunteers who go and fight the war and those who protested at home. And it was, for, as well as for the actors, it was an eye-opener for me, because, when I, when I came home, eventually in mid-1970, August I think of 1970, I wouldn't have had two minutes for those people. In fact, I would've, you know, bowled them out of the way with my Jeep or whatever it was. But I kind of got a little bit of an insight into how the others, as much as I disagreed with it and as much as I thought it was unfair and confusing the war with the warrior, I did get an insight. Not a, not a sympathetic insight, but an empathetic insight…

17:24Jawad MirEmpathetic, yeah

17:24Captain Dale Dye... What was going on. Yeah.

17:26Jawad MirYeah. That's, that's, that's fantastic. And, you know, I'm glad you mentioned that because nowadays, you know, there is this whole thing about you can't even have an open discussion…

17:36Captain Dale DyeYeah

17:36Jawad Mir... About any topic. Everybody, you know, is, like, on edge and razor knife and trying to get offended by something. W… with Tom Cruise, he's like... I'm gonna ask him one thing and then I'll go to the next part, is that…

17:49Captain Dale DyeSure

17:49Jawad Mir... He trains really hard. Was he the same way back then?

17:53Captain Dale DyeYes. Yeah. I had at that point, formed my company called Warriors Incorporated, and I had developed and honed my philosophy and techniques, in how to train these young actors,... With whom the military experience is just antithetical. It is, it's... I'm, I'm trying to teach them not to focus on themselves, that the sun doesn't rise and set on your posterior, you know?

18:22Jawad MirRight.

18:22Captain Dale DyeThat there are, there are missions out there that are more important than you are. And I knew that was, that was one of the hardest things I was ever gonna have to do. But I had refined it at that point. I said, "Aha, I know how to get to these guys." I, it's, it's just like leading in the military. Everybody's an individual. Everybody is different. And you have to be enough of an amateur psychologist, to know who they are, what they are, and where those emotional buttons are.

18:52Jawad MirRight.

18:52Captain Dale DyeAnd you have to push those buttons. And so I had, I had, sort of honed and refined my methodology at that point. And when I did, Born on the Fourth of July with Tom, I put him right through it. And he was, he surprised me, frankly. You know, I knew he was a movie star, and, but I paid absolutely no attention to that, and I treated him just like the rawest private you could find, and hurt him physically because I wanted to. I mean, he n… he needed to understand that.

19:29Jawad MirRight.

19:30Captain Dale DyeThe neat thing about him was that he did understand it, and he had a huge heart. The guy just would not quit. He insisted on getting it right, and he would try and try and try again, and wear himself out trying until he got it right. So I developed a great respect for him. You know, I guess we're politically different and that sort of thing. I don't really know, because I've never discussed that with Tom. But I do know that, he's had great respect for my work. And in fact, there's a movie out called Night and Day, K-N-I-G-H-T and Day.

20:12Jawad MirYep.

20:12Captain Dale DyeIn which he hired me to play his father. And so…

20:16Jawad MirRight. Yes

20:18Captain Dale Dye... We have a little bit of a relationship going here.

20:22Jawad MirI remember that movie.

20:22Captain Dale DyeBut he was... He went through exact… He went through a modified version of exactly what I put the people in Platoon through.

20:31Jawad MirThat's great.

20:31Captain Dale DyeSim… I say modified simply because I didn't have the time with him that I had with them.

20:36Jawad MirRight. Th… that's, that's great insight. Captain, when you are revisiting that era, especially Vietnam, because you fought the war in Vietnam, and when you are revisiting that through films, what kind of, if any, does it ha… y… kind of psychological, you know, within yourself, like, what do you go through? Like, do you re… reliving that experience?

21:00Captain Dale DyeQuite a bit. You know, I, it's something I didn't think about, when I first started doing it. But when we started with Platoon and I was surrounded by people speaking Vietnamese and I was in that jungle environment again, I will admit to a number of flashbacks and not so pleasant sometimes. There were times I simply had to walk off the set and reorganize my mind and say, "Okay, look, it's as close as it can get, and you want it that way, but you're not, nobody's trying to kill you here." and so I have those psychological things. I'll tell you, as a result of having those... I guess flashbacks is the best way to call them.

21:45Jawad MirRight.

21:46Captain Dale DyeIs the best way to describe them. What I discovered was I have made for myself, through movies and television, in particular about the subject of war and men in war and combat, I have, I have, discovered for myself a certain catharsis.

22:06Jawad MirOkay.

22:06Captain Dale DyeI think that, I think that, particularly among Vietnam War veterans, one of the big problems was that, we were unwilling or unable to, share those memories. We didn't, we didn't want to talk about it. We didn't... Because nobody was interested. Everybody was angry about the war, and…

22:29Jawad MirRight

22:29Captain Dale Dye... You couldn't find a sympathetic ear, for the most part, and the war was unlike any other we'd fought up until that point. So you couldn't find that sympathetic ear. As a consequence, as a result, people kept a lot of that stuff inside of them, and it became poison. It began to eat through them and develop psychological problems and that sort of thing. And I was certainly in that crew. But what I discovered was that if I was willing to talk about it, to teach about it, to train about it, to give these young actors an insight into what's going on in the mind and in the heart and in the guts, it was, for me, a catharsis. And the books I write are all in some way, shape, or form about men at war, and that's a catharsis. And so what I discovered, sort of by accident, although I'm sure psychologists have known this for years, if you're willing to talk about those things in whatever fashion you can, whether it's writing or talking or speaking or acting or just sharing them with, young men and women who might face the potential of that sort of thing, you not only do a service to them, but you do a service to yourself.

23:59Captain Dale DyeYou, I guess you puke out some of the poison…

24:04Jawad MirYeah

24:04Captain Dale Dye... That's been sitting there. And as a result of that, I think you end up being a healthier and happier citizen

24:13Jawad MirH… 100%. Is there, I'm not trying to put you on spot, is there something that you're willing to share that you remember at the time when you were talking to, young men and women or even working on the film, that something came out from p… distant memory and made you feel a little bit, you know, less heavy, I guess?

24:33Captain Dale DyeSure. Yeah. There have been literally hundreds of those moments.

24:38Jawad MirIf you can think of one moment that, you know…

24:40Captain Dale DyeI will. I will, in just a moment. But I need to set the background for you here.

24:45Jawad MirSure, please.

24:46Captain Dale DyeIn every training day where I'm training young actors, we have a thing called a stand down, and that's an hour or whatever it takes at, toward the end of the day, the training day, because that training goes on 24 hours. You don't go back to a hotel or any of that sort of thing.

25:03Jawad MirRight.

25:03Captain Dale DyeAnd the idea of it is an opportunity for them to ask me questions, things that they wanted to know and, that there was just no explanation for. There was no research they could do and that sort of thing, because it's so personal. And to get around to directly answering your question, I remember once, doing, when we were doing, I suppose it was, it might have been Born on Fourth of July. And one of the young actors, during one of these stand down periods said to me, "Have you ever killed a man?" And that's, that's a fairly personal thing. Very few combat guys are gonna wanna talk about that, are gonna talk about it in detail. "Yes, you know, I saw a guy and I shot him," and that's about all you'll get. But this, that wasn't good enough for this kid, and I realized at that point that this young actor was asking a very serious question because he wanted to translate what I told him to his performance.

26:16Captain Dale DyeAnd I said, "Geez, I don't really wanna talk about this." but if I don't…

26:22Jawad MirYeah

26:23Captain Dale Dye... I risk letting him do something stupid on the screen that every combat man is gonna just howl about.

26:29Jawad MirYeah.

26:30Captain Dale DyeAnd so I spent, I spent a good hour, telling him about an incident that happened to me in which, I was literally face-to-face with an enemy. I mean, within four or five feet, and looking right in his eyes, and he was looking right in my eyes, and it was gonna be a battle to the end. And it was. The fortunate outcome of that was it was his end and not mine. But the fight was brutal. And I found myself at that moment talking to this young actor, having to go back to things that I had buried, very deeply, and thought I would, I would just never talk about, A, because it hurt me and, B, because, it just didn't seem like polite conversation, frankly.

27:27Jawad MirYeah

27:28Captain Dale Dye... And what I found was, there's a, there's a thing I think in every young man or woman's life, when he's confronted with a situation like that, and I call it the come to Jesus moment. And it's like this. You get in a situation like that, you're forced to take a life or you voluntarily take a life to save yours, whatever the situation is, and then, and it won't come right then. It'll usually come a day or two or maybe hours after the incident, when there's a moment for you to reflect and you don't really want to reflect, but you're forced to. And you're forced to by what I call the sort of Judeo-Christian upbringing that everybody has. And, you know, the biggie in the, in the sin category is thou shalt not kill.

28:27Jawad MirYeah.

28:27Captain Dale DyeAnd now you have violated that prescription, proscription. And so you begin to wonder, you know, "Have I, have I doomed myself? Am I, am I heretofore, sentenced to eternal damnation because I did this?" And no matter how much justification you've, you've been taught, or you've been trained, you have that moment, and that moment is haunting. And it, and it can come back to you. And so that incident, I think probably answers your question. If it doesn't, I'll expand some more. But...

29:11Jawad MirNo, it does. I, it's, it's, it's interesting, right? That I always have these... No, I shouldn't say always. I have these conversations with people when we're, when they're, whenever there's a war going on, like whether it's US versus another country, or now Russia and Ukraine, or…

29:26Captain Dale DyeYeah.

29:27Jawad MirAnd, it's, it's very, you know, soldiers are obviously following orders, right? Like you're fighting for your country, and you're going in there because that's what you signed up for. Yes, sometimes there are people who take matters into their own hand and they kind of go haywire, but a very small percentage of them. And I always find it fascin… And I'm just making a comment. Doesn't mean anything.

29:52Captain Dale DyeSure. Yeah.

29:52Jawad MirI always find it fascinating that, you know, that there's two sides, right? Like the enemy and then you, and then you are the enemy in their eye.

30:01Captain Dale DyeSure.

30:01Jawad MirAnd how the psyche of when you're actually being on the ground goes through that, like, it's, it's, it's crazy that soldiers have to go through all that, but they've made a choice to do so, of course.

30:16Captain Dale DyeWell, you have made a choice to do it. But…

30:21Jawad MirBut I don't think you make a choice to say in your head, "Oh, I'm gonna go kill that person when the war starts." That obviously is not the case, right?

30:28Captain Dale DyeNo.

30:28Jawad MirLike, that's... Yeah.

30:29Captain Dale DyeNo, it's the furthest thing from your mind at the time.

30:32Jawad MirYeah. Yeah.

30:33Captain Dale DyeAnd I think, that's that come to Jesus moment. And people respond to it differently.

30:42Jawad MirRight

30:43Captain Dale Dye... But I find that, if those who have not, what we call seen the elephant and heard the owl, you know, really been in that life or death situation, if you can, if you can somehow communicate that, whether it's in a film, that you've trained an actor to understand it, or it's in a book and you're capable of describing it, adequately, with the fact that you're talking to a completely oblivious audience in your mind. If you can do those things, then I think, I think you've done something to, improve the human condition. And that's really, overblown but I think, I think I see it that way. I'm trying to give people an understanding of what combat, not necessarily war, but individual combat on the ground is like, and how brutal it can be and how you're confronted with those come to Jesus moments.

31:48Jawad MirYeah.

31:48Captain Dale DyeAnd so I look at it, I guess as a, as a small contribution, to the understanding human nature.

32:00Jawad MirYeah. And one thing that I, that in Saving Private Ryan, I mean, everybody talks about the opening sequence, right? Which is incredible. Like, I remember watching in the movie theater and just hearing bullets flying through my right and my left…

32:15Captain Dale DyeYeah

32:15Jawad Mir... You know, the surround sound system. But there's…

32:16Captain Dale DyeThey worked very hard on the sound.

32:18Jawad MirYeah. It was, it was phenomenal. And espec… there were three things that stood out for me in the film. To this day, if I try to remember the film, those pop out. Number one was during the opening sequence when the soldiers jump into the water and the camera goes in…

32:33Captain Dale DyeYeah

32:33Jawad Mir... And then it comes out, and then it comes in, and it was, it was crazy because you see their feet moving.

32:40Captain Dale DyeYeah.

32:41Jawad MirAnd you're literally immersed into their character. And I think that, for me, maybe for others too, that was the moment when I got into that scene really right away, because I felt like I was right there.

32:53Captain Dale DyeYeah. And you see the bullets, coming down.

32:55Jawad MirYeah, flying through.

32:56Captain Dale DyeI'll tell you that one of the…

32:58Jawad MirAnd then…

32:58Captain Dale Dye... One of the things that, made the scene so incredible to me, and this is, this is a salute to Steven Spielberg's filmmaking skill. Tom Hanks, in his character as Captain Miller, is so shell-shocked by what's going on around him, there on Omaha Beach, that he comes up out of the water and hears the sound, and then he's down and the sound disappears.

33:25Jawad MirYeah.

33:25Captain Dale DyeI've been in that situation. I've, I've been, had my bell rung so hard by incoming mortar or artillery fire that I'm deaf. And I look around me, I can't hear anything. I can see things going on, but I can't hear anything. That's frightening. And, Steven focused on that, and I said, "Yeah, that is something that will surprise people." And it is a true depiction of what happens to you in combat. You can, you can shut it all down.

33:57Jawad MirIt's crazy. And then there was two other scenes, involving, the medic, who's played by Giovanni Ribisi.

34:05Captain Dale DyeYep. Giovanni Ribisi, right.

34:06Jawad MirYeah. There was a scene at night, they're having a conversation. It was, him with Tom Hank's character, Captain Miller, and Tom Sizemore, and he talks about how his m… mama, you know, this is before he pass, he gets killed, how his mother is always, trying to, was trying to talk to him, but I pretended I was sleeping. And that guilt just is sitting there, and then he kinda cries out, "Mama," when he's dying. Like, those two things, I, they always come to my mind when I'm thinking about Saving Private Ryan. It was…

34:36Captain Dale DyeIt was, it was kind of a Star Trek red shirt moment, wasn't it? I mean, you know that…

34:42Jawad MirYeah

34:42Captain Dale Dye... You know that guy's gonna die.

34:44Jawad MirYeah. But I'm sure they do. When you were, obviously you being in the, in the war, like, are those moments, like, where you talk about family? I'm sure you do, but how does that…

34:54Captain Dale DyeYeah, you do. It's, there's a bit of a machismo thing in it.

34:59Jawad MirOkay.

35:00Captain Dale DyeYou, it, you really have to know someone well, and trust them, and feel that you can go there in conversation with them.

35:12Jawad MirRight.

35:13Captain Dale DyeIf he's just a foxhole buddy and you don't know him that well and you haven't, you're hesitant to share those kind of mama things and family things.

35:24Jawad MirRight.

35:24Captain Dale DyeUsually it happens because you start talking about home and family and so on and so forth, and then something like that will sneak into the conversation. Guys in combat, guy, and I don't know about w… I've never been in combat with women, but, except I've had a few fights with women. But, guys in combat, reserve those moments, and I think it's machismo.

35:53Jawad MirYeah. I mean, men normally don't talk about those kind of things with other men.

35:56Captain Dale DyeYeah.

35:56Jawad MirThey normally talk, they normally talk to women about those things if they do.

35:59Captain Dale DyeThat's right.

36:03Jawad MirYeah, no, and when you were working on Saving Private Ryan, obviously you were involved with the boot camp, you know, that you went, I think it was two weeks training, or was it a month?

36:13Captain Dale DyeIt was about 10 days, and then, and then we added, we added another, four or five days with the, with the background troops in Ireland.

36:24Jawad MirRight.

36:24Captain Dale DyeSo I guess the whole prep period for me was about two weeks. Yeah

36:29Jawad MirSo with the main cast when you were doing the boot camp with Matt, with Edward Burns, Tom Sizemore, Tom Hanks, a… and the rest, Barry Pepper, is what... Do you remember anything in particular where any one of them, if not all of them, said like, "This is it. We're done. We can't do this."

36:44Captain Dale DyeOh, yeah. You're fishing, you're fishing for that story. And frankly, it's apocryphal. There was a time we were, we were exceedingly miserable. The English weather had closed in on us, and we were up to our knees in mud and freezing rain, and they were miserable.

37:03Jawad MirRight

37:04Captain Dale Dye... For my part, that was exactly how I wanted them to be. But i… we had a clique led by a certain actor that I won't specify.

37:16Jawad MirThat's okay. No worries.

37:17Captain Dale DyeBut it wasn't Tom. Well, it wasn't Tom Hanks. At any rate, there was some, "we don't, we don't need this. We've been through enough, you know. That's enough."

37:31Jawad MirYeah.

37:32Captain Dale Dye"We got the captain's message," and so on and so on. I said, "No, you don't. If you endure this, then you'll get my message." And I was adamant that I wasn't gonna turn them loose, and they, there were a few of them who were just as adamant that they needed to be turned loose for various reasons. And they went to Tom, Hanks, as their supposed leader, and said, "Look, we're, we're over this. You know, we've done enough here." And Tom Hanks, thank goodness, said, "I don't think so." and he made a call. I'll be fair with him. He made a call to Spielberg and said, "Look, there's a little problem here." And Spielberg said, "Well, Tom, you're the leader. You have to handle it." And he did, and he gave a speech, and I gave a speech. And his speech was much more inspiring than mine.

38:32Captain Dale DyeBut he said, "Look, we have one opportunity here to portray these guys and to, and to get an in-depth understanding of what they went through. And they didn't quit because they were miserable and seasick coming on those beaches and they didn't quit because it was cold and rainy. And by God, I don't think we should." And that did it. Then I got up and said a few words in, a similar vein, and that was it. It was over with, and we went ahead with the training.

39:08Jawad MirA scene like that in the film at the end when Tom Hanks, you know, talks, like, he makes that little speech when they were all fighting.

39:16Captain Dale DyeYeah.

39:16Jawad MirSo it's interesting that happened.

39:19Captain Dale DyeYeah.

39:19Jawad MirVery similar to that. And when you actually were in the movie th… when was the first time you saw the film? Was it at the premiere, or was it before that?

39:29Captain Dale DyeSaving Private Ryan?

39:30Jawad MirYeah.

39:31Captain Dale DyeI actually saw pieces of it, when I was working on post-production. Steven is a fanatic about post-production. In particular, sound. And so I worked on some scenes in which we had to do, we had to juice the sound. We put... I took, a machine gun up to a firing range, and we put microphones, down along the firing range, and I fired as close as I could get to those microphones with live ammunition so that you could hear the, what the Doppler effect of the round going by, and that snap…

40:05Jawad MirOh, wow

40:06Captain Dale Dye... As it hit your ear. So I had seen a couple of scenes that we wanted to juice that sound. And I had seen some scenes. I actually went and we bought a, an old side of beef, and we hung it on a range, and, we miked the beef. And then I fired live ammunition at it, and you, we would pick up the sound of a bullet hitting meat and hitting bone. And then we would fire at angle iron, so you get the sound of ricochet, and recorded all of that. So, I had seen those scenes, and I kinda knew how extraordinary this was gonna be.

40:52Jawad MirRight.

40:53Captain Dale DyeAnd then, and then Steven invited me and, Tom and, I can't remember. Maybe some of the other actors were there, to a private screening, and we got, we got the first look at it. It was, it was still, he was still tweaking and, you know, with a Steven Spielberg film, the tweaking never ends, but…

41:15Jawad MirRight

41:15Captain Dale Dye... But we saw, I saw it in full length, for the first time at a, at a private screening.

41:23Jawad MirWhat was... Do you remember your initial reaction, especially…

41:26Captain Dale DyeOh, I was, I was, just gobsmacked. I mean, I said, "I don't think anybody's ever tried this, on this scale, and certainly nobody's ever done it that well." I mean, I saw things in that film that Steven had talked to me about. He wanted to do this, and he wanted to do that, and he'd sometimes ask my advice about it. But I saw all of those little moments. And if you are willing to delve into or dive into those opening sequences, which are just extraordinary, and they wanna make you sit back in your chair. But there are moments in there, little sequences. The guy carrying the arm that has gotten…

42:11Jawad MirYeah

42:11Captain Dale Dye... Blown off.

42:11Jawad MirYeah.

42:12Captain Dale DyeAnd the guy turning and looking at another man, said, "What are we gonna do?" And then he turns, and he gets a bullet right between the running lamps. Steven had told me that he w… he wanted to do those things and there they all were. And so I looked at it, just with awe. That, you know, I had, I had a little part in helping to put this together. But it was extraordinary filmmaking, and just, I knew it was gonna be ex… just magically powerful. And it was, and it is.

42:47Jawad MirDid you speak to any of the... I know there was a screening for the veterans…

42:51Captain Dale DyeYeah

42:51Jawad Mir... At some point. Were you there and did you speak to any one of them?

42:55Captain Dale DyeYeah. I was, I'm kind of the point of contact between the veterans…

42:59Jawad MirI bet. Yeah

43:00Captain Dale Dye... And the film folk. So yeah, I was there. And to me, their reaction was my Academy Award. Because they would look at me and say, "Good Lord." and they would, they would begin to talk about little things that they had seen, and each one of them would seem to pick out one little thing that to him triggered a memory.

43:24Jawad MirYeah.

43:24Captain Dale DyeYeah, I spoke to a bunch of the guys in the 29th Division that we, survivors from the D-Day landing on Omaha with the 29th Division, some from the Big Red One, the first infantry division that we showed it to, and every one of them just... I didn't have a negative comment…

43:43Captain Dale Dye... Other than a couple of them said, "Well, I don't, I don't know if audiences are ready for this." And I said, "Yeah, they are." They, you know.

43:50Jawad MirYeah.

43:51Captain Dale DyeBut it was, it, that was rewarding. As I say, that to me, a veteran's reaction like that, to me is the Academy Award.

44:00Jawad Mir100%. Had you read the script beforehand or before the film?

44:05Captain Dale DyeOh, yes. Yeah.

44:07Jawad MirSo that, the opening and the ending scene, not the actual D-Day, but the, older Ryan, you know, walking…

44:14Captain Dale DyeYeah

44:14Jawad Mir... Through the cemetery and in the end that, you know, he says that, "Did I live a good life?" You know, because…

44:21Captain Dale DyeWas I a good man? Yeah.

44:22Jawad MirYeah. Was that always in the script when you read it?

44:25Captain Dale DyeYeah. Yeah, it was. I, the phasing effect of…

44:33Jawad MirYeah, that was…

44:34Captain Dale Dye... Young to old man, that was, that wasn't indicated in there, but I knew it had to be something like that because it didn't make sense, otherwise. Yeah. And what surprised me, I guess nothing should surprise me out of Hollywood, but, what surprised me was, the critics' reaction. The critics didn't like that, you know, the big-time critics. And I said, "Well, you're, you're a dumbass then. You know? I mean, you don't get it. This is a guy hoping that what he did and what he sacrificed, was it worth it? Was it... Did I, was I a good man? Did I do what was expected of me?"

45:16Jawad MirYeah.

45:17Captain Dale DyeAnd I got that immediately, and why anybody else didn't was beyond me. So

45:24Jawad MirThat's…

45:24Captain Dale DyeBut I loved it. I loved it.

45:26Jawad MirNo, that's pretty much what the genesis of the whole film was, that the ending…

45:30Captain Dale DyeYeah

45:30Jawad Mir... When he says, "Was I a good man?"

45:32Captain Dale DyeYeah.

45:33Jawad MirYou know? And

45:34Captain Dale DyeYeah, absolutely. And that's what, that's what Ro… Rodat intended, and that's what Steven Spielberg intended. And if you ask anybody who's, w… who's getting agey like I am and has, and has, survived a war, that's a question that haunts you. Did what I do or the sacrifices I made, were they worth it? And there are times when I wonder. And there were times when that man wondered. So I got it immediately and completely, and I thought it was brilliant.

46:15Jawad MirYeah. And what's amazing about that was, you know, you see Captain, sorry, Private Ryan in the beginning, the older one. And the movie starts, and by the time the, you know, the... Forget about the end of the movie. Even in the beginning, you totally forget about the older Private Ryan, so when in the end that morphing scene happens, I remember when I was watching, I'm like, "What's going on?"

46:37Captain Dale DyeYeah.

46:37Jawad MirI totally forgot about the opening. And that's how intense…

46:41Captain Dale DyeSpielberg magic.

46:42Jawad MirYeah, exactly. 100%. And, you worked on Band of Brothers, of course, and The Pacific. I honestly have never seen Pacific, so I won't talk about it. I'm going to.

46:54Captain Dale DyeOkay.

46:54Jawad MirI'm going to, and now that you mentioned there's a new series coming, I'm gonna watch it before that. But Band of Brothers was, amazing and, you know, a miniseries and how it focused on characters and everything. What was your involvement like that? I think that was announced right after Private Ryan won the Oscars, or…

47:14Captain Dale DyeIt was pretty close to that.

47:15Jawad MirYeah.

47:17Captain Dale DyeLook, I was, because of our success with previous films, I was involved right from the absolute conception of that. I had read and been a big fan of, Stephen Ambrose's Band of Brothers book, so I knew the material. I worked with the writers early on, going into this thing. And, it... I knew and more importantly really, at that point Steven Spielberg and his producers and Tom Hanks all believed that my method had merit.

47:56Jawad MirYeah.

47:56Captain Dale DyeAnd so they gave me almost carte blanche. I mean, they said, "Here, whatever you wanna do to get these guys ready and to produce this thing, we want you to do it, so tell us what you need." And so, and I did, and I think that, I think that the three weeks that they gave me, including incredible support and access to places and things that, where I had to isolate these actors and make them live in the 1940s…

48:23Jawad MirYeah

48:23Captain Dale Dye... I think that was, the proof of the pudding, if you will. I mean, it w… I had everything I ever wanted, in my method in training these folks, and it worked magically. To this day, I mean, I still see all of those guys regularly, and we have a reunion about once a year, and we just had the 20th anniversary re… reunion in New Orleans at the World War II Museum not long ago. And, it's one of those seminal moments in your professional life, and all of them, all of them say that, and I say that. When you're able to do something like that, you set the bar, and that's the standard. You know? You gotta get beyond that if you're gonna do anything better than Band of Brothers, and no one's done it yet. It's... I… I can, I can walk into a bar here in South Central Texas, and somebody'll say, "Hey, you're Colonel Sink from B…", and...

49:24Captain Dale DyeSo the series lives on. And it lives on in particular, almost every television station I… I'm familiar with, runs it, you know, on Veterans Day. It'll be up this November.

49:38Jawad MirYeah.

49:38Captain Dale DyeYou know, they'll run the entire thing back to back. And so when you, when you do something like that, and when you hear comments from the survivors, the men we were portraying, that we got it so right, and we were, we were just... It was, it was their story, and we told it well. There you go. I mean, you can't do any better than that.

50:01Jawad MirYeah. And these ac… you know, the actors that you worked with, whether it was Saving Private Ryan or Band of Brothers, one thing with military is, I mean, you know, it teaches you discipline. It teaches you a lot of, things that you probably won't learn anywhere else in that much of a speed, like that quickly.

50:19Captain Dale DyeSure. Yeah.

50:20Jawad MirDo you, do you, and do you see that in the actors that you train that did that change, or do they come and tell you that, you know, that training two weeks of boot camp and then the film production, it changed the way I think about things?

50:34Captain Dale DyeYes. Yes. And that's perceptive that you'd ask that question, because I design it to change their lives if I can.

50:42Jawad MirRight.

50:43Captain Dale DyeThey're capable, if they're malleable enough for me to do that with. But to this day, I just told you that, we had this reunion at the…

50:53Jawad MirReunion

50:54Captain Dale Dye... In New Orleans. And every one of them found a moment, 20-some years later, found a moment to get me aside and say, "Skipper, I gotta tell you, what you taught us and the things I experienced just changed the way I looked at everything, and it made my career." Or they'll say, "It made me a better guy, you know? A better husband, a better father, to my own kids now." And that's pretty high praise.

51:27Jawad MirThat must be really…

51:27Captain Dale DyeSo yes, it does change them. And in almost every instance for the better.

51:35Jawad MirI, yeah. The end of Band of the Brothers series, I mean, that's what stood out for me the most in the, in the entire series, was the scene when they discover the camps and when they walk in.

51:47Captain Dale DyeYeah.

51:48Jawad MirAnd, you know, that... I mean, Sh… Schindler's List was a totally different, impactful film. But in that scene when all the soldiers walk in and you don't hear any conversation, you just see these people literally to their bones and, you know, you know, kissing these soldiers, were you there that day for the production?

52:12Captain Dale DyeOh, yes. I was there every day.

52:15Jawad MirSo tell me about that. How did that occur, and what was going through? And, 'cause that…

52:19Captain Dale DyeWell…

52:20Jawad Mir... For me, that was very powerful

52:21Captain Dale Dye... It was very powerful not only for you and for audiences in general, but for them. You know, we had talked a bit about Nazi, extermination attempts and that sort of thing just in the course of reviewing the history and... But when they saw that and how wonderfully the production people had, set it up, and the fact that they had just come out of training, and they were, they were in that mindset anyway, it had an, a profound effect on them. Ron Livingston told me, that it had a great effect on him. Damian Lewis told me that he was almost, he almost forgot his lines. He was just speechless. Ross McCall, who played the German translator…

53:11Jawad MirYeah

53:11Captain Dale Dye... Has almost been in tears, you know, saying, "I knew that I had to say something, and I, and I, but I just looked at that and I said, 'My God, this is becoming reality to me.'" And, so it was, it was emotionally impactful for everybody involved. And interestingly, we didn't let them, I didn't let anybody near that set…

53:41Jawad MirI was gonna ask you that next

53:42Captain Dale Dye... Until it was time to actually see it.

53:44Jawad MirYeah.

53:45Captain Dale DyeAnd I told the assistant director and I said, "Look, don't let anybody up near there. When it's time to go, when it's time for us to get up on the set," I said, "you're gonna want raw reaction."

53:58Jawad MirAnd it was.

53:59Captain Dale DyeYou know? And yeah. And we got a lot of it that way. I mean, I remember kids just looking around like, "Where in the hell am I?" and I said, "You want that." And so we didn't, we didn't let them get anywhere near it until it was time to actually roll and bring them on a… and see what happened to them. Ross McCall, remembers that, so well, and he said, "I had no idea what we were rolling up on until I took a look at it." And I said, "Yeah. And we saw the look on your face."

54:30Jawad MirYeah. Aside from what you're working on next, and I would love to have a conversation with you once the series that's coming in January, once that's done. Maybe we can talk about Pacific and that. What's keeping you busy nowadays?

54:44Captain Dale DyeWell, I'm, I write books. I think I've published 12 or 13 novels now, and they're all doing very well. I write a series much like the J… Lee Child Jack Reacher series that's ... That's very popular. I just, wrote a new book on the Korean War… A novel called, The Forgotten War. And so I'm, I'm doing that sort of thing. I've, I've... At my age, I'm, I'm trying to kind of unplug a little bit from showbiz. And I'm finding it very hard to do, frankly. There... You know, people keep calling, and, you know, "Will you just come out and give us a couple of weeks on this sort of thing?" so what I'm, what I'm trying to do, I think, is, not bask in what I've done or rest on my laurels, but I'm trying to take a more,... I'm trying to take a step back and take a look at what I, what I've done and why and how and think about it a bit. I think I've, I think I've kind of carved a niche, if you will, or set a standard.

55:56Captain Dale DyeAnd I hope that's a good thing. And so I'm contemplating that. But I keep busy, writing and, doing podcasts. You guys are absolutely crazy with this stuff. I think I'm doing five this week. But all of that's, an opportunity to, a bit of an opportunity for introspection because I have to answer your questions…

56:21Jawad MirRight

56:21Captain Dale Dye... No matter how... And

56:24Jawad MirThanks.

56:26Captain Dale DyeYeah. Nothing personal. But it's an opportunity to kind of reflect on everything. So I'm, I'm doing some of that and, still trying to stay physically fit. It was pouring rain here in South Central Texas, and I ran five miles today anyway.

56:44Jawad MirGood for you

56:45Captain Dale Dye... Just... Well, just to see if, you know…

56:47Jawad MirYeah

56:47Captain Dale Dye... How hard my commitment is. And so I do things like that. And, you know, I'm, I'm, I'm hoping that I'm, I'm living kind of a good life. I'm kind of, I'm kind of at the, at the Saving Private Ryan, moment, you know. I'm... I don't know if I'm gonna morph into anything younger, but, God, I hope not. But I'm, I'm doing that sort of thing. And it's j… it's enjoyable and it keeps me busy.

57:20Jawad MirIf I was to ask you, a… as I mentioned to you, my... I come from a military family. My father fought two wars. And the word soldier, what does that mean, if somebody was to ask that? Like, you know, some people who have no connection with the military aside from watching movies or reading books, what does soldier mean?

57:41Captain Dale DyeIt means selflessness. It means courage. It means a willingness to sacrifice for the greater good.

57:54Jawad MirAnd nowadays with all that stuff going on, you know, even the last 20 years, the wars that have been taking place, and I'm sure unfortunately there will be many wars, that's the way the world works and the history, do you work with any of the soldiers now? Or do you, do you... Do any of the soldiers come to you for any kind of guidance and…

58:15Captain Dale DyeThey do

58:15Jawad Mir... Kind of, kind of a consulting role?

58:18Captain Dale DyeI'm, I'm a little... No. Just in a personal way.

58:21Jawad MirYeah.

58:21Captain Dale DyeI'm, I'm kind of,... I'm, I'm a little too accessible. I don't make myself hard to find. And I'll, I'll get emails and I, and I'll get, even phone calls sometimes out of the blue. "You know, I was in Iraq with such and such." And yeah. "And I was thinking about something you said," usually on one of these podcasts. And you have to be willing to spend time with them, and I am willing. I reflect on the lack of that willingness, that welcomeness, that openness when I came home from the war in Southeast Asia. And so I've, I've kind of made it my mission…

59:08Jawad MirGood

59:08Captain Dale Dye... S… a new mission, to be available to talk to young men and women. And I travel a lot around the country, and people want me to speak at this and speak at that.

59:17Jawad MirRight.

59:18Captain Dale DyeAnd I'll always run into those guys, you know. And they just want 15 minutes of my time to sit and talk with them honestly and listen to their experiences. You know, it's not so much me talking. Lord knows people have heard me talk way too damn much anyway. But it is an empathetic ear. It is, "I understand what you're feeling. I understand, what you're thinking, and I'm willing to listen to it. And I'm... " And that willingness comes because I've been there. And I find that to be a great, a great help to young men and women coming home these days.

1:00:01Jawad MirThat's really nice of you, Captain. That's really nice of you. Thank you so much for your time.

1:00:07Captain Dale DyeSure.

1:00:07Jawad MirI hope, you found this somewhat interesting, that you'd be willing to talk to me again in January and February.

1:00:15Captain Dale DyeI d… I do. It's always... As I said, it's, it's... Every podcast, if you will, every interview…

1:00:24Jawad MirI don't know

1:00:25Captain Dale Dye... No matter what it's for, is an opportunity to say some things, that I believe. So it's a bit of a pulpit, and I appreciate your offering me one.

1:00:35Jawad MirNo. This... I, and I appreciate your honesty, because that's something that I really value, people being upfront, and I thank you for that so much. Thank you again.

1:00:44Captain Dale DyeSure. Yeah.

1:00:44Jawad MirSo we'll be in touch for sure, sir.

1:00:46Captain Dale DyeLet's do so. Thanks very much. I appreciate your time.