'The Wild Robot', Film Review, Jawad Mir & James

0:00Jawad MirI went into Wild Robot completely cold. I didn't know a thing about it, and I much preferred it in the first two-thirds where it was the robot, who's called Roz, we should, we should add. It, you know, the, it sort of adapting to this island lifestyle, and that was quite... It was almost like an observational documentary at s… at certain points.

0:22JamesAnd it's really rare when you anticipate something, 'cause your expectations go through the roof, that you end up watching something and liking it more than you expected you would. For me, I think it was one of the best, I shouldn't say one of the... It was probably the best movie DreamWorks has ever done, animation movie, beyond Shrek, beyond How To Train Your Dragon, because of the story and the time, and it had this, you know, combination of ET, Iron Giant, Bambi, and all those classics that, you know, we grew up with.

1:02Jawad MirIt's that festival season, you know?

1:05JamesYeah.

1:05Jawad MirI did Venice, and as I mentioned, I'm doing San Sebastian, and then I think a brief trip to Zurich as well, so... And then the London Film Festival starts. After that, I can, I can calm down. But, were you in TIFF? Did you, did you get to see much?

1:20JamesToo much.... I ha… I haven't been to TIFF in 15 years. And this year I just kind of, you know, I applied for, through the podcast. I'm like, "Okay, let's see what happens." Because for me, always it has been, like, networking for producing and directing films. So we applied a little too late, and we got in, so I kind of hit two birds with one stone, where I was watching the films, but I was also networking for my, set of work that I do in terms of directing films. But it was really good, because I ended up watching 19 films in 7 days or 6 days.

1:55Jawad MirThat's good going. That's good going.

1:57JamesYeah. It was, it was intense. But 90% of the films were really good. A few of them were not that, but that's okay.

2:06Jawad MirWhat was your, what was your highlight?

2:09JamesI was going to say Wild Robot, but then another film came in the way. Flow.

2:16Jawad MirRight. I haven't seen that. That was in Cannes, and I remember going…

2:19JamesYeah

2:19Jawad Mir... "I really wanna see that." And then it's particularly 'cause it's about 80 minutes long, I think, as well, and I was like, "Oh, I could squeeze that in," but never quite made it. But I know that it is showing in the London Film Festival, I think, so, I will hope to get to see that.

2:32JamesI can't tell you how great it is, not because of how good it is, but what's great about it, which you probably already know, is that it's 84 minutes of no dialogue.

2:43Jawad MirYou know, I'm not 100% sure. I have not read a lot about it, so I've seen a picture of a cat, which immediately made me go, "I want to see this."

2:52JamesYeah

2:52Jawad Mir... But, yeah, I guessed it was kind of minimal dialogue, but I didn't know for sure.

2:57JamesYeah, no, it's, it's breathtaking visuals, like, unlike anything, ever been done, I think, in animation. And the music is just out of this world. I mean, it just kind of hooked you on, and I really... I didn't know, I didn't know anything about this film going in, because when I was waiting for the Wild Robot, in the li… in the line, this, another guy I was talking to, we were talking about animation, and he goes, "Have you seen Flow?" I'm like, "No, what's Flow?" So he told me to go watch it, and then I switched my movie tickets around and I watched, I started watching. I had no idea what it was about. I had not seen a single poster. Zero. And 10 minutes in, I'm like, "There's no dialogue, and I really hope it continues like this." And I was so pleased, and it was really well done. Amazing story. Amazing story, on top of all that.

3:42Jawad MirWell, pretty apt as well, given we are about to talk about Wild Robot. And there's not a great deal of dialogue in Wild Robot either, I mean, relatively speaking.

3:51JamesThat's true. That's true. There isn't, but I mean, one thing about Wi… well, I'll let you talk about Wild Robot. I have my thoughts, but I'll let you start to see what you have to say about it.

4:01Jawad MirWell, a bit like you with Flow, I went into Wild Robot completely cold. I didn't know a thing about it. I think I was dimly aware that it was by Chris Sanders, who obviously back in the day, invented Stitch of Lilo & Stitch fame.

4:22Jawad MirThe little blue crazy alien from the Disney cartoon in about 2002, I think it was. And then went on to do, of course, How To Train Your Dragon and The Croods. And I kind of, the one review I've written of Wild Robot, I think I said I do think Chris Sanders is probably one of the most underrated, animators and, you know, animation directors out there. I mean, when you consider the impact Stitch made as a character, I mean, I don't know about in Toronto, but I still see people in London wearing Stitch sweatshirts and carry Stitch dolls and things like that. And you think, "Yeah, that character m… made a real impact." and this is, this is kind of, I think, a, from what I've read, it's a sort of M… Miyazaki-inspired, animation. You know, you first encounter the, titular robot, i… in its box sort of basically abandoned on this kind of, or shipwrecked, let's say, on this kind of, wild island.

5:27Jawad MirAnd it immediately starts sort of emulating the creatures around it to survive, a crab quite early on as it's sort of scaling up this cliff as kind of water cascades around it. And, again, early on, like we were saying, there isn't a great deal of dialogue, before it then, it h… as a robot it has to find a mission, basically, and finds the mission in this little baby, little baby goose, basically, to sort of, well, is it's gonna eat… eat, sleep, and fly. Is that the phrase?

6:03JamesYeah

6:03Jawad Mir... Yeah, you know, it ba… basically has to tutor this little goose how to, how to survive a… as a mother would. So of course it's really a story about, parenthood. But there's a, you know, th… there's a great deal more to it than that. It's, it's, I think it's tremendously animated, the kind of, the kind of, putting this kind of mechanical beast, let's say, in the wilds of this island, you know, surrounded by nature, surrounded by winter at a certain point. And it kind of, it has to sort of tutor these other creatures, not just the goose, how to survive. And, I guess, I guess you could say becomes a mother to all of them on, in some respects. Yeah, no, I mean, I was really, I was really taken with it. Less so, if I'm being honest, in the final third, where it gets a little bit sci-fi, a little bit action-y. I felt like they almost put that in because they needed to have a bit of action for the kids, as you often find in animations.

7:03Jawad MirThere's always a chase scene or something, and here there's some sort of, you know, lots of robots and blasters and things like that. And I much preferred it in the first two thirds where it was the robot, who's called Roz, we should, we should add, it, you know, the, sort of adapting to this island lifestyle, and that was quite... It was almost like an observational documentary at certain points I… if the, if you'd have had cameras watching a robot on an island, which would be strange. But, yeah, I thought it was a kind of, those first two thirds were really beautiful. I thought the score was really im… really moving as well. That really helped, again, sort of taking over the need for too much dialogue, basically. What were your thoughts?

7:51JamesYeah, no, to go back to what you said about Lilo & Stitch, it's true because I just saw my niece a few weeks ago, who is, who was born around that time, wearing a Lilo & Stitch, a Stitch, a Lilo & Stitch shirt. So yes, it has had amazing culture impact. Wild Robot was one I s… I didn't know anything about the film until I saw the trailer. I didn't even know it was in production. Normally I'm pretty up to date, but for somehow I missed it. And at the trailer came out, I saw it, I'm like, "Holy, this looks amazing," right? And then I found out there was a book, and then I became completely hooked to this, waiting for this movie. Another trailer came out, another trailer came out. I mean, I was, like, really anticipating, and it's really rare when you anticipate something 'cause your expectations go through the roof, that you end up watching something and liking it more than you expected you will. For me, I think it was one of the best, I shouldn't say one of the, it was probably the best movie DreamWorks has ever done, animation movie, beyond Shrek, beyond How To Train Your Dragon, because of the story and the time, and it had this, you know, combination of ET, Iron Giant, Bambi, and all those classics that, you know, we grew up with, and all the animals in the, in the kingdom, and how they're trying to sort of connect with this robot and the r… you know, Roz is trying to connect with the animals.

9:15JamesI, it has so much heart in it, so much heart, and for me, the third act didn't really bother me because, I mean, obviously, you know, stakes are high and you need to have some sort of a conflict at the end as to what's gonna happen, how is this, i… is she gonna s… you know, decide to stay here or not? And they kind of established that throughout the film with the transmitter and all that. And I loved how it ended too, because it sets it up for possible more stories, and I think there's three books, or there's going to be three books. So I, for me it was a winner all the way, and if I think it's... I saw The Wild Robot at TIFF, and I'm like, "This is gonna, you know, win the Best Animation at the Oscars." But then I saw Flow, and I was like, "I think The Wild Robot is gonna have ha… hard time unless Flow wins for Best Foreign Film," because kind of French even though there's no dialogue, and, you know, The Wild Robot wins for Best Animated Film. But amazing casting. I thought the casting was perfect. As you said, the score was amazing.

10:17JamesAnd I can't say enough about the film. I also do tell people, go not just watch it in theaters, watch it in IMAX. I saw it in IMAX and it was just amazing experience. Absolutely loved it.

10:28Jawad MirYeah. I guess we should say a little bit about the cast that you…

10:33JamesYes

10:33Jawad Mir... Alluded to. I mean, Lupita, Nyong'o, who plays Roz, and s… you know, if I didn't know she was voicing it, I don't think I would've pinpointed her playing that role. She sounds very different to how she sounds in a lot of her live action films. A little bit similar, I guess, to the role of Maz Kanata that she played in the Star Wars

10:59Jawad Mir... Movies, The Force Awakens and so forth. Kind of, yeah, she's got this ability to really change her voice and just sound quite, otherworldly, I suppose you could say. Yeah, I really liked her performance in it. And I don't know how familiar, people in, you know, on the other side of the pond, let's say, are with Matt Berry, who's a British actor. He plays in the film, he voices the really grouchy beaver called Paddler, if you remember that character.

11:31Jawad MirAnd Matt Berry is kind of like a king of voiceovers in the UK for a start. He's also got a, well, he had a very amusing, a sitcom called Toast, where he plays this kind of resting actor. And it's a very surreal comedy. I highly recommend it if you c… I don't know if you can get it over there, but, it was on channel…

11:52JamesWhat is it called?

11:53Jawad MirIt's called Toast, as in, like…

11:54JamesToast

11:55Jawad Mir... Toasting bread. But

11:56JamesOkay

11:57Jawad Mir... Hi… his character is called Steven Toast, and it's a very strange film, sorry, a very strange show. But yeah, Berry's known for that. He's known for various sort of… Singing exploits. Yeah, he's just very funny, and he's, he do… he's does a really good job here. Of course, Pedro Pascal. We haven't even mentioned…

12:14Jawad Mir... Fink, who plays the fox that kind of…

12:16JamesYep

12:16Jawad Mir... Helps, Roz i… in this kind of quest for, sort of kind of raising Brightbill, the little goose. And it was, by the way, it was eat, swim, and fly. That was the instructions that Roz…

12:30JamesEat, swim, and fly

12:31Jawad Mir... That was the instructions Roz is given to help little Brightbill, who's voiced by Kit Connor. But yeah, so you've got, you've got sort of helping them, this kind of conniving fox who really wants to eat the g… you know, to go against, f… Fink's own nature, and obviously which would be to eat the baby goose. And that was quite an amusing dynamic, I thought. I thought that worked quite well as a kind of counterpoint to Roz's sort of sincerity. And then you got, another great British actor, Bill Nighy, comes in as Longneck, who's the kind of wise old goose that, Brightbill ultimately teams up with when there's a c… the migration, you know, the ultimate migration that has to happen with all, with all birds from such an island. So it is a lovely c… a lovely voice cast, I think. I think they didn't go for sort of huge stars, although, you know, you could argue that Lupita and Pedro Pascal are pretty big. But, yeah, it was, it was a really nice cast. I'm glad you mentioned The Iron Giant as well, because that was definitely a film that was in my mind when watching this.

13:35Jawad MirHad a similar sort of... Well, obviously, there's a, there's a robot in both, but, had a similar atmosphere, I guess, similar tone. Yeah, I feel like that's what they're going for. I mean, interesting you said Flow might beat it at the Oscars. I think probably the might of DreamWorks is you know…

13:56JamesMi… marketing

13:56Jawad Mir... Machinery will…

13:57JamesYeah

13:58Jawad Mir... Yeah, I mean, you know, obviously I haven't seen Flow yet, but from what I've heard and from what you've just said, it does sound like a worthy winner. But you just imagine that the DreamWorks campaigning will probably push Wild Robot over the line. And to be honest, I don't think anyone could complain if it did win the Oscar, because it's a really good p…

14:17JamesIt's a good film

14:17Jawad Mir... Yeah, it's a really good…

14:18JamesYeah

14:18Jawad Mir... Piece of work. And

14:19JamesYeah

14:19Jawad Mir... As I said earlier, I think Chris Sanders is somewhat underrated in, you know, compared to, say, Pete Docter, who, you know, well deserves his reputation, you know, of being at Pixar, and things he's done like Soul and, you know, Inside Out. But yeah, Sanders is, extremely inventive as a, you know, as an animation director and this is just such a, you know, the kind of, the observations of the natural world are so beautifully done in that, in that first two-thirds that you could just sort of sit back and you don't really need to follow the plot. There isn't really that much of a plot as such. There is, of course, this sort of, as I was mentioning, this idea of parenthood and survival. I guess there's more, there's more themes than there are... The plot comes in the final third. Like you said, there needs to be a little bit of conflict. I accept that. But I more enjoyed, let's say, wallowing in the, in the natural world in that, in that first, you know. As I say, it is a bit like a nature documentary or something, there just happens to be a robot in the middle of it.

15:22JamesImagine if somebody actually made a real documentary…... About that.

15:26Jawad MirYeah.

15:26JamesThat's an actually pretty cool idea. But going back to the cast, you know, there's Catherine O'Hara, which play, who plays Pinktail, you know, the family with the,.. What's that animal called? Is it the…

15:39Jawad MirIs that the otters?

15:42JamesIs it…

15:42Jawad MirI…

15:42JamesThe one with the kids.

15:44Jawad MirYeah, I remember.

15:45JamesYeah. So she plays that. There's, Mark Hamill, who plays the bear, which I did not know. I mean, it was amazing to find that out afterwards when I saw the cred, I'm like, "Oh, Mark Hamill is in there." And, Ving Rhames, I think he's in there for a little bit. But the amazing thing with the casting was not just, you know, the lead, but everybody. You know, sometimes you actually can tell with the voices that's the actor. Like I, in this case, I could not, and which was great, because that doesn't distract you, "Oh, that's, you know, Luke Skywalker playing the bl… bear," or, you know, Catherine O'Hara playing, a character. It was just, it was just a perfect film. And even the flow, like the way it begins, I'm just gonna give away one quick shot. It literally begins the sh… the camera kind of goes through the clouds, and there are thunders, and it cuts to him being on the, on the island. That's it. I mean, they could have done this whole sequence like Cast Away, you know, where Tom Hanks in the plane and it crashes, and maybe they did, but it was just the flow was just so good because it just went boom.

16:51JamesBut enough to be able to absorb all the emotions and the characters. And I thought that, like you said, the facts, the... Sorry, excuse me. The fox character, which was, played by Pedro Pascal, P… Fink, was such an amazing choice of a animal because foxes are known to be clever, right? And you have this robot who's trying to understand, forget about, you know, just human emotion and just the information he's, she's trying to collect, and she encounters this character who's the cleverest animal in the, in the kingdom, and then how his transformation happens. So I thought it was really brilliantly done, the direction, the voicing, everything was, you know... And the animation was perfect for me. I know I'm very excited about this film, but, it's an amazing film and I can't tell, I can say to people, "Please go watch it with your family." It's an amazing experience.

17:45Jawad MirDo you feel like, as I mentioned earlier, it is inspired by Miyazaki, the Studio Ghibli kind of maestro who's, you know, did films, like My Neighbor Totoro and Spirited Away?

17:59JamesYeah, I think so. There are some elements in there, and I, if you, I mean, there's obviously it's a computer animation, but if you look at the actual background, and that was kind of similar in Puss in Boots 2, there's a lot of now a new, you know, a mixture of like oil painting, if I'm using the right words, right lingo, with computer animation. It just looks very authentic, and I think this idea of computer animation, period, has sort of become now… A day of the, something of the past because people are not really responding to it that much because it just looks like AI now. Everything looks so authentically, you know, computerly digitized, and I think the audience wants that traditional element in there, which is in. And definitely it does have all that, ingredients, from the Japanese studio, which are…

18:44Jawad MirCould you…

18:45JamesYeah

18:45Jawad Mir... Could you see Wild Robot getting a nomination for Best Picture, not just in the animation category?

18:52JamesI thi… I actually said that to somebody after the film. I said, "Do you know what? It's gonna, it's gonna get nomination for Best Picture, and if it gets nomination for Best Picture and Best Animation, then it's gonna win the Best Animation for sure."

19:05Jawad MirYeah.

19:05JamesLike

19:05Jawad MirSo I would think so. But then that's a sh… it's almost a shame because then they c… voters will go, "Well, we're not gonna give it Best Picture, but we will give it something."

19:13JamesYeah.

19:14Jawad MirI mean, it's still…

19:14JamesWell…

19:14Jawad Mir... Great for the film, of course, but.

19:16JamesYeah. But I think it, this was needed because as of late, like Inside Out 2 was pretty good. I really enjoyed it. After a while, Pixar had a good film after four or five years, for me at least. And DreamWorks kind of was doing hits and misses in two, so this was really good to see and I really hope that this restarts this id… at the core of it, honestly, it like, you know, we get all excited about music and everything, and visual. At the core of it was a story which goes beyond, a lot of time we ignore it, but that's the reason we connect to it, and they spent a lot of time developing that and making sure that it works.

19:57Jawad MirHow do you think, young children will respond to it? Do you think there's enough for them, or is it more of a, an adult-skewed animation?

20:07JamesNo, I think it's gonna appeal to everybody. I feel, I mean, for… forget about the animation for kids, it's just those ki… there's so much humor in there, like, you know, not like just unnecessary humor. It just comes in very quickly and goes away, and kids might not understand some of the humor. It's pretty dark, but they will still under… find it funny. And also the families that are gonna come and watch it, they're gonna relate to it. I think it's, there's nothing in that film that is, to me is not family-oriented…

20:37Jawad MirYeah

20:37James... Considering what's out there nowadays. If it had come 25 years ago, maybe you could argue that, but I think kids, you know, they're open to social media all the time, and phones, so I feel it's gonna, it's gonna hit a nerve, and I don't think it's gonna open up with a massive box office, but I think it's gonna have long legs continuing, for like…

20:58Jawad MirI…

20:58James... For years

20:59Jawad Mir... I kind of felt there was something almost biblical about it, like a Noah's Ark style story.

21:05JamesYeah.

21:05Jawad MirIn the second half, I can't give too much away. We don't wanna give the…

21:08JamesYeah

21:09Jawad Mir... Too much of the story away, but w… let's just say when the island becomes, falls into winter season and Roz has to expand…

21:19JamesYeah

21:19Jawad Mir... I g… I'm never quite sure to call Roz, like female, 'cause Roz to me is a female name, or it, like a, I don't know. What are, what are we going for? It or she, or he?

21:27JamesI think it's a, I think it's a she, yeah, from what I've sort of been talking to. Everybody's referring to she.

21:32Jawad MirOkay.

21:32JamesSo I would like to keep it to she.

21:33Jawad MirWe'll go, we'll go with she then. Yeah, so and obviously I did say earlier there's a certain maternal quality to Roz anyway. But yeah, you know, in that second half, Roz does help a number of the island creatures. And that to me had a certain Noah's Ark quality. Whether that was intended, I don't know, but that's kinda how I read it.

21:53JamesYeah, no, there was, you know, one of the films that I sort of referenced it to more than any other film, which I didn't really talk about other than I mentioned it once, yes, there was Iron Giant, yes, there was, you know, E.T. And all that, but to me it was very much like Bambi. If you remember the way Bambi unfolded in the last act, there were a lot of similar elements. I'm not trying to say that they, you know, they took it from there, but it just, I just, even like one of the deers in there looks like Bambi. If you, there's a couple of shots when a deer kinda comes in into that sanctuary that they have in the winter, and you feel like th… it was like a little homage to Bambi. I just felt it was very much at the heart of it had that Bambi feel to it, the relationships and the dark elements that come in later in the film.

22:42Jawad MirWell, yeah, Bambi is a film full of danger, I suppose…

22:45JamesYeah

22:45Jawad Mir... Of the natural world, and that's exactly what this film shows, at least until that final third where it goes a little too sci-fi for me anyway. But

22:56JamesYeah

22:56Jawad Mir... I still thought there were some great sequences in that final third. I mean, you know, the kind of, the field full of robots for example, that was kind of a cool image. There were lots of cool images. I think I just was so enchanted by the first two thirds, as I said earlier, kind of wallowing in this kind of observational natural world style documentary almost that, a bit like you with Flow, where you were like, "I want this to carry on in the way I want it to carry on."

23:28Jawad MirYou know? And in your case, for Flow it did, i.e. It carried on without dialogue. I think in my case I was wanting more of that first two thirds but, you know, it's a Hollywood animation in the end. It's always gonna go a little bigger at some point, I guess.

23:43JamesI think I can see, I c… now that I, you mentioned it again, I can see how that transition from that world to another world may have thrown you off, because it, that world does come out of nowhere. I remember now watching it maybe I felt a little bit awkward for like a few seconds and I just kinda dived right back into it, but I can see that and I think, I think this, if they make a second one, they can probably do that a little bit less. But then again, the way the story ended, I think it's probably gonna be way more than this one. W… we'll see how it goes, but I ca… I can see it. I can see what you're trying to say, and it makes sense. It makes sense.

24:35Jawad MirYeah. It'd be interesting if they do adapt… Other books. I mean, it's always, it's always the way, and then the originality that you feel here won't be quite the same again. But, you know, it was for someone like me who knew nothing about it, and I'm not, I'm not a huge animation fan. I won't rush out to see everything.

24:54JamesYeah.

24:54Jawad MirBut, you know, this was a pleasant surprise. It was, "Okay, this is different." You know? It felt different. It felt fresh. It felt... Even though there are certain elements, like you mentioned, whether it's Bambi or Miyazaki or ET or The Iron Giant, you can pick all of those influences, but it still felt fresh and…

25:15JamesIt did

25:15Jawad Mir... And different and, yeah, I think you're right. I do think families overall will respond to it. Young kids will perhaps, again, because there isn't too much dialogue or too much plot to cope with, and there are images to process rather than, you know, narrative developments. I don't know. Do you think we're gonna see a line of Wild Robot toys? Are we gonna go down that avenue?

25:38JamesOh, I think so. I think it's gonna create a cultural, impact because it's just, again, I know I sound like a broken record whenever I talk to anybody on this podcast. It's like you have to have great characters to have great story, and to have great… to have a great film, you have to have a great story, and this film has all of them, the characters, the voices. I mean, I can see, you know, the little plushy toys with the voices coming out of like when you squeeze them. It certainly has all that. I mean, people, who doesn't love animals, right? So and then now we're living in an age of AI, where robots can be…

26:15Jawad MirWell, that's true. I mean, that's a very pertinent topic given…

26:19JamesYeah

26:19Jawad Mir... How big that topic's become and Roz's kind of development as a character but hear, I suppose, showing you that AI isn't so bad. You know? AI can be good, at least at least in the eyes of the filmmakers and the author.

26:34JamesYeah, and you know what's funny is because when I was watching it, and again, I don't want to give it away, there's this transition of the character, right? And I think you know what I'm trying to get at. About two months ago, in the, in the technology world, ChatGPT came out with a new version, and I've seen a lot of videos. I haven't tried it because it's just one of those things that's like, do I really even wanna try it? You know, where you actually have ChatGPT on your phone and you're talking to it, him or her, whatever it is, and the way he or she would respond would almost sound like a human being. Like, it will… she… he or she will giggle and respond and give an idea. Oh, I can relate to that. And I think that I've... When I... If I had, I felt that in Wild Robot but obviously not in a way of possible endangerment or anything to human species but more so, oh, we are getting there. We're already there, I think, to a certain level, right?

27:31Jawad MirYeah.

27:31JamesImagine, I mean, there's, if you go to, if you see videos about in China and Japan, there's like all these m… human-like looking robots who walk around and serve you food. I mean, they walk very kinda like robots, but imagine in about two, three years you, how could, how much you would be able to tell apart. So it's a perfect movie for a perfect time, and I think they're gonna do sequels for sure because this topic is not going anywhere.

27:57Jawad MirThat's very true. Very true. Well, we will see how it does at the box office.

28:02JamesYes. Awesome. Well, looking forward to that, and the Wild Robot comes out on September 27th, I think, in North America. I'm not sure what the date in the UK is. But…

28:11Jawad MirI think it's in October in the UK, so.

28:13JamesIs it in October?

28:14Jawad MirYeah.

28:14JamesBut, yeah, awesome, man. Listen, as usual, thank you so much.

28:20Jawad MirPleasure.

28:20JamesThis has been great. Do watch Flow when you do. I would love to have a chat with you about that.

28:25Jawad MirWe should, we should do that definitely.

28:27JamesAnd Unstoppable is really good. It comes out in December, produced by Matt Damon and Ben Affleck with Jennifer Lopez.

28:35Jawad MirYeah.

28:36JamesSaturday Night, that's an amazing movie.

28:39Jawad MirRight.

28:39JamesThat's look… I'm just telling you all the films I've been…

28:42Jawad MirNo, I've, I've…

28:42James... Remembering

28:42Jawad Mir... Someone was telling me about Saturday Night only yesterday. So I haven't seen it yet, but someone said The Order is very good. That was in Venice, but I missed it, with Jude Law. That's supposed to be very good.

28:53JamesOh, right. I read the premise. I didn't, I didn't get to see it, because there's so many, as you know in festivals, there are so many conflicts of times. But yeah. So there's some good stuff coming. Looking forward to chat… chatting with you about them.

29:05Jawad MirIndeed. Excellent. Take care.

29:07JamesTake care. Get some rest, man.

29:09Jawad MirBye now.