'September 5', Composer, Lorenz Dangel

0:08Jawad MirHi, everyone. This is Jawad, your host of Kingdom of Dreams podcast. Welcome back to another episode. Today my guest is Lorenz, and I do not wanna pronounce his last name because I'll probably butcher it. It's spelled as D-A-N-G-E-L. He's a music composer, from Berlin, Germany, and he composed the music for the upcoming film September 5th. You probably haven't heard of that film unless you've seen previews, but it's basically about the sports journalist that covered the 1972 Munich, e… events. And I truly enjoyed my conversation with him, talking about the music, talking about how he got onto the projects, just life in general, media, and the empathy and the storytelling, elements that are so important in today's time. So without further ado, here is my conversation on September 5th. Were you born and raised in Berlin?

1:00Lorenz DangelNo. I come from the south of Germany, and I only moved here when I s… started studying. That was in '97, so that's quite a time.

1:14Jawad MirDo you miss your old town, or this is pretty much home now?

1:19Lorenz DangelNot especially. I really... I see myself as a Berliner. I mean, I studied, studying here. I was in Munich and in London for some time, but then I came back to Berlin, and it's just... I mean, there's no other place in Germany I could imagine to live. Maybe Hamburg, but nothing else.

1:39Jawad MirYeah. It's, it's, I mean, besides being a historical city, right, but it just has so much, you know, culture of different, nationalities, and everybody is just in their own world, but they're not, and there's all these little spots.

1:54Lorenz DangelYeah.

1:54Jawad MirI mean, it's a beautiful city. I love Berlin.

1:57Lorenz DangelI agree.

1:57Jawad MirAbsolutely.

1:58Lorenz DangelGreat.

1:58Jawad MirYeah. Well, thank you, man, for joining, on Kingdom of Dreams podcast to talk about September 5th. And you composed the score for the film, which, I had the pleasure of listening to just... I was just driving and, played it. It's not out yet, just for the record, right? It's not, it's not been released yet.

2:19Lorenz DangelThe OST is re… has been released, but the film hasn't.

2:23Jawad MirYeah.

2:24Lorenz DangelThey pushed it. They changed in the last weeks, o… over and over again. So now I think it's, like, December 13th is limited, and then only in January it's w… it's nationwide.

2:40Jawad MirYeah. But the score hasn't been released though, right?

2:43Lorenz DangelThe score has been released on Spotify in…

2:46Jawad MirOkay, it has been.

2:47Lorenz DangelYeah.

2:49Jawad MirOkay.

2:49Lorenz DangelIt should have been... Th… th… that's also strange because, for some reason we decided, to exclude Germany, Austria, and Switzerland. So it should have been released, in all other countries, but I can't see it because I'm sitting in Germany. So if you, if you open Spotify, you should find hopefully September 5.

3:13Jawad MirLet's see right, let's see right now. Let me just go on my phone because the computer forces me to log in. September 5. Yeah, because your agent, said that it wasn't released. Oh, it is out now. Okay. It's on Spotify.

3:41Lorenz DangelCool. That's good.

3:42Jawad MirYeah. Okay. Well, that's good. I w… I was just listening it to on Dropbox, the tracks that you provided. But nevertheless, great soundtrack. Really enjoyed listening to it. A lot of, you know, suspense moments and beats and just really captivates you in. And, you know, I'm very familiar with the Munich incident, obviously because of the Munich film, and I've done some research on one of my projects that I am directing touches upon that too, but the angle that this film takes is quite different than the actual incidents, how the media sort of portrays that. How did you come across this, film? What was the process? By the way, I love the score. I just wanna make that, point that on the record.

4:28Lorenz DangelThanks. Thanks a lot. Well, I have worked with, Tim Fehlbaum, the director, for his first two feature films, so it was pretty, like…

4:40Jawad MirOrganic

4:41Lorenz Dangel... Yes, that, I do the third one. And, but, he took some time between film one and two, and then he was pretty fast with the third one, I mean, for, at least for European standards and European art house standards. And, I think the first thing was that, he just told me about the story, and it was in a state where, they haven't yet decided for this, special perspective. They're telling the film out now, like the, this per… perspective of the ABC Newsroom people.

5:22Jawad MirYeah.

5:22Lorenz DangelAnd this is probably quite the, how do I say? Th… this is the important change they did in the script, for the success of September 5 now. Because before, it was just another movie about the incident. We have a few, including…

5:44Lorenz Dangel.. Spielberg's Munich. But…

5:46Jawad MirYeah

5:46Lorenz Dangel.. This move was really something very special, and it changed the whole setting of the film. And also for me, it changed a lot.

5:59Jawad MirYeah, no, because Mu… Munich is obviously a... Which you have seen, I'm sure, right?

6:04Lorenz DangelYeah.

6:04Jawad MirYou've seen Mun… yeah. It's a great film, and it's crazy that how it's… Still timely, you know, with what's going on in the world. September 5th, when did you... 'Cause, you know, in the last year things have kind of s… become more heated up i… i… around that topic, not necessarily the media angle, but just the story in Middle East. I mean, it's been around for a while up and down, but last year it's been really, taken a rise. When did you guys, start working on it? Like, as in, like, when did you become familiar with it? Because the timing of it is quite interesting, right? So I'm just trying to get an idea of that.

6:47Lorenz DangelTo be honest, it's totally unconnected to all what happened. I mean, we were,.. I think we were shoot… Let me think. We have '24 now, so we were shooting in '22, in autumn, I think, or maybe beginning of the year also. But by, October 7th, last year we were mixing. So…

7:16Lorenz Dangel... The whole film was done nearly, when October 7th happened. So, this was not one of the, motivations for Tim Fehlbaum to do this movie. Absolutely not. I think he was really interested in covering this, media issue and this topic about how you present n… news, to the world. How do, how do you do a media coverage, especially in this situation where the people weren't trained in news media. They were sports guys. And this is probably also has a connection to now because we're talking about images of war zones worldwide every day, and we see in the Internet all that stuff, and everybody has a camera on his phone. So this is a very timely topic. Yeah.

8:16Jawad MirYeah. And I also think aside from what you just said, which is so true, is that in the... I don't know how much you follow US elections.

8:27Lorenz DangelTotally.

8:27Jawad MirRight? I…

8:28Lorenz DangelA bit

8:28Jawad MirI think a lot of people do, but I don't know if you did. But, I follow it very re… religiously. I try not to talk about politics on this podcast because it's more film. But because it's about media, one of the things that, you know, they're always analyzing why a certain candidate lost and why a certain candidate won. And the catalyst, although there's no official data to back this up, it's believed that because podcasts have taken so much strength, that the mainstream media because of... You know, they're, they've lost their credibility because of certain things, and podcasts have sort of taken over, and they have the new medium. And it's similar to, you know, what you're saying. Everybody has a phone in their hand. So it's interesting how the pendulum is kind of swinging back and forth, even back when that story took place compared to now.

9:25Lorenz DangelAbsolutely. And I think it's the same, it's the same for pictures or images, you know? It's so... I mean, it has such a massive, impact and emotional impact. And, to say something very neutral, I just would really be happy when we, worldwide we would agree on, fact and, true photos and true sources and everything like that. And this is probably one of the danger we have, that in classical journalism you still have a system of, you know, checking your sources. It's, it's also part in the film, in our film. It's about, you need two sources and, there's a, there's a crucial moment in the film. And of course we lose that when everybody thinks he's able to spread news...

10:23Jawad MirYeah. But I think, you know, even in mainstream media if you go back during the Iraq War, I don't know if you remember…

10:30Lorenz DangelI do

10:30Jawad Mir... There wa… there was a movie made about that, too, with Naomi Watts and Sean Penn, I forget, where the journalist, I don't know which publication it was, so I'm not gonna say the name, but it was a very prestige journalist, newspaper. They were sort of fed information. The journalist was fed information by the intelligence about the weapons of mass destruction. And since then it's been like according to the source, and the l… mainstream media has been wrong a lot of times, too, right? So when they're wrong, then the void is filled by fake or, you know, ge… genuine, reporting.

11:08Lorenz DangelYeah. I'm not, I'm not defending the journalists. I just,... I'm just saying we should, we should all try to do this.

11:15Jawad Mir100%. No, I agree with you. I agree with you. But having said that, moving on from this.

11:20Lorenz DangelYes.

11:20Jawad MirYour music, what is the process of you working on a film in general or in this film, right? Because I felt... I was listening to it in the car when I was just driving to office, and it was just like on... I was literally on the edge of my seat throughout the score, right? Because there's always these mo… obviously, it's relevant to the visual media that is in the film. Just te… tell me the process in working with a director, and how do you sort of come up with that, the theme and the tracks and the musical piece?

11:56Lorenz DangelYeah. Well, I think, this process how I approach my music or my ideas for a film score is every time so different. It's really, every time I start a film, it has a different entrance somehow. In this case… I think I really... I started writing some themes, or collecting some material, on script base. So I just read the script, and they were shooting in Munich, in a studio. And I was sitting here in Berlin and thinking about material, like what w… what, sort of material I want to use in the, for the score. And one of the first ideas I had was to get some, how do you say? I don't know the English word.

12:57Lorenz DangelLike, you can slightly feel the '70s. I wanted to have s… have it slightly, a slightly feeling for time. That's why I used, I started using analog synth, which I'm not too familiar with, to be honest. I really had my, had to work myself into that. And then there was a huge, change when I happened to see the first footage because I realized immediately, it wasn't that obvious in the book, I realized that I have to deal with this really close, narrow setting of the film. The whole film takes place in this, TV studio. And that means a lot of people in a small room talking throughout the film from beginning to end. There's a lot of noise sources.

13:59Lorenz DangelThere are speakers, walkie-talkies, film, all the technical stuff and so on. So I realized, "Okay, this is something I really have to deal with." and I decided then, to produce more material, and that is I decided to become very close with everything, very dry and very tactile almost. So, I had some chance to, you know, not to come through, but to, you know, to, like, to color, the whole sound, surface. Because everything which ha… would've been, like, epic or, like, you know, droney, wouldn't have succeeded.

14:52Jawad MirYeah. No, it's, it's... So, you know, the film trailer, I haven't seen the film obviously because it's not out, but the film trailer reminded me of two films. The Post, which was also by Spielberg with Tom Hanks and Meryl Streep, but mainly All the President's Men with

15:09Jawad Mir... Dustin Hoffman and Robert Redford. And it... I mean, have you s… you have seen the final cut, I'm assuming.

15:17Lorenz DangelOf this film?

15:18Jawad MirYeah.

15:19Lorenz DangelYeah, I do, I have.

15:20Jawad MirOf course you have. Of course you have. But did you, do you feel that kind of s… tone compare to the, especially All the President's Men because that was about, you know, the whole Watergate incident and journalism at its top notch. This is quite opposite, like sports reporters reporting it, but nevertheless, reporting it.

15:42Lorenz DangelI think, I mean, what they have in common is all this pace i… issue. You know, it's all about time and pace and pressure and uncertainty. These are emotional, like, emotions that, you know, this is something I, most of the time take care of with the music, and this is something they have in common. But having said that was really interesting because, in our case with September 5, the acting and the editing was on a such a high level. Also, the script. So we had the sort of the luxury, not to have the need to help with the music all the time, but we could decide to place music on really important scenes or just draw a certain story arc, and say, "Okay, this we really, we take this scene with music, just to shape it a little bit more."

16:55Lorenz DangelAnd especially in the first half of the film, there's hardly any music. There's only really subtle music. When you listen to the, third track on the, on the soundtrack, it's called Gunshots. It's, like, very distant. And it's also in the film. And that was really great because we, probably other people would have scored throughout the film, and we took this lu… luxury to not to do it.

17:30Jawad MirThat's, yeah. No, I'm looking forward to that because that's one of the things I was thinking about when I was listening to the tracks, is that, you know, where does it actually begin in the film? Because sometimes tension is really good when there's no music. It's just, you know, the, I like to call it the roaring silence or, you know…

17:48Lorenz DangelAbsolutely

17:48Jawad Mir... The sound effects and whatnot.

17:50Lorenz DangelYeah.

17:50Jawad MirBut that's really good to hear. I'm really excited to see it. I'm really excited. I mean, I'm, I'm a very big historical buff in terms of movies, like war movies and historical piece, but this one looks really cool.

18:03Lorenz DangelI think there's another reason, for this, music concept because, the great DOP Markus Förderer and Tim Fehlbaum, they decided to shoot this movie in almost a documentary style. It's all hand… handheld camera, and it, and they try to be… In the set. The whole set was, 360, how do you say? You could…

18:32Jawad MirDegrees

18:32Lorenz Dangel... Look around fully.

18:33Jawad MirYeah. 300, yeah, 360 degrees.

18:35Lorenz DangelThere were no moving walls or anything like that. They were just in the room, and most of the time they have a handheld camera. And this gave, this sort of documentary style, and this is something which was also relevant for the music because we didn't want to exaggerate. We didn't want to, you know, to put an extra cream on it with the music and saying, "Okay, this is now really a thriller scene," or whatever. We just supported what's there any… anyway in the, in the image. And I think this is m… I really enjoyed. I only realized later really that we did this. And I really enjoy that we didn't, you know, we didn't force it.

19:26Jawad MirYeah. I got the sense from the trailer, but obviously trailer is not the film, that it was kinda like a docu approach, which I absolutely love because it just really pulls the f… audience into the film much more drastically than some… Like, you know, have you, have you seen Breaking Bad?

19:44Lorenz DangelYes. Sure.

19:45Jawad MirHave you seen Better Call Saul?

19:47Lorenz DangelIn parts, yes.

19:49Jawad MirOkay. So Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul, they're same universe, but Breaking Bad was very much handheld, but Better Call Saul was very artistic, like the shot composition. And I love them both, but for docu style it just pulls, like, you in a character because the story was like that was Breaking Bad, and I feel that I'm really anticipating that with September 5th. And…

20:12Lorenz DangelYeah

20:12Jawad Mir... And the i… what you just said about the 360 degrees, that's so cool. That is really cool because it really immerses the audience in.

20:19Lorenz DangelYeah, and, also the actor always told us, it was really unpleasant because they were all stuck in this little room and, but I think it does something with the actors, you know? It's, they're really stuck in there, so.

20:35Jawad MirWell, it plays into their character too because then they feel that they're stuck there, and it comes out of their performances, right?

20:41Lorenz DangelAbsolutely, yeah.

20:43Jawad MirTell me, I'm always fascinated about people's journeys, right? Like how they become who they are today. What was the catalyst in your journey of getting into the world of music and composing score? And who were some of the artists that, composers that you were inspired by?

21:02Lorenz DangelTo be honest, my way to film music is, came only late. I come from a musical family, like classical music. I've, I'm, I'm trained, on classical piano and double bass. I studied double bass for a while. Then I thought about conducting or as, music engineer and things like that. And then only, I mean, seriously only m… m… and while I was studying, I started taking composition lessons, but also classical composition in Berlin. And then I read a book about film music, from a German film music guy. You won't know him. His, he wrote this book, and the book really inspired me. I thought, "This is really cool what you can do with the music." And I was so interested in, taking music as a tool to achieve something and to be part of something bigger.

22:11Lorenz DangelSo not the music itself, but y… music as a part of the film.

22:16Jawad MirYeah.

22:17Lorenz DangelAnd using all the emotions you can, you can gain with music. And then I studied, then I started being interested in film music, and still I wasn't, in the beginning I wasn't that much of a film buff, you know? I didn't go, to the cinema three times a week or something like that. It only, it grew, it grew years after years. Yeah, but that's, that's how it started. And since I wasn't,.. You know, the contemporary music scene in Germany is very serious. And it's really hard to get in there and I never felt really a part of it, although I was writing contemporary music. And then the film music was really a good, exit of that for me.

23:16Jawad MirYeah. That's really cool. Well, I mean, one of the most, one of the greatest composers in the world is from West Germany, Hans Zimmer, right?

23:25Lorenz DangelYes.

23:25Jawad MirOriginally from Frankfurt. And another f… composer, I forget his last name, he was partially a composer on the original Re… NeverEnding Story, which was directed by Wolfgang Petersen. His name was Claus

23:39Lorenz DangelDoldinge.r

23:41Jawad MirD… yeah, Claus Doldinge.r

23:42Lorenz DangelDoldinge.r.

23:43Jawad MirYeah.

23:44Lorenz DangelThat's really '80s.

23:45Jawad MirYeah. Yeah. Well, NeverEnding Story, I mean, it's, it's such a great film, and the music of it is something I still listen to it. I'm, I'm a huge score buff.

23:55Lorenz DangelOkay.

23:55Jawad MirWhich is why a lot of people who are in my, I would say a good 20% c… guests on the podcast are composers because I listen to everybody from, you know, Hans Zimmer to Venge… Vangelis and, you know, what's his name? Gustav Holst, the classic composer. John Williams, of course. So I…

24:15Lorenz DangelYeah

24:15Jawad Mir... I truly appreciate. Yeah. I truly appreciate.

24:17Lorenz DangelYou know where the attention, it seems from.

24:20Jawad MirSorry? Yeah. Well, I think, I think John Williams borrows a lot from Gustav Holst. I also think there's a track in Gladiator, I think it's called, the original Gladiator… Barberian Horde. I think elements of that come from Gustav Holst too. Yeah, he's all in everybody's music. I find that a lot of people borrow from him. Which is fine, it's just inspiration and they make it their own.

24:46Lorenz DangelAbsolutely.

24:47Jawad MirYeah. What's keeping you busy after September 5th? Are you working on any projects, or do you want to work and do you do anything other than scoring, like in a band or theater, or just completely focused on music score?

25:05Lorenz DangelIn the last years, I mean, I always had these, two worlds, like film music and concert music. And the last years, somehow, the concert side, became a little bit more important, than it was before. So I had a, I had a huge ballet production at the Music State Opera, the Munich State Opera, which was real fun. And immediately after September 5, I have been writing a piece for 296 musicians, with the BR Symphony Orchestra under…

25:48Jawad MirWow

25:48Lorenz Dangel... Simon Rattle. I don't know if you know him. He's a conductor.

25:51Jawad MirNo, I don't. No.

25:52Lorenz DangelHe's a famous conductor in,.. He's English originally.

25:57Jawad MirOkay.

25:57Lorenz DangelA long time chief conductor here with Berlin Philharmonic Orchestra, and now he's in Munich. And he's a crazy guy, and he has crazy ideas, and he wanted me to write a piece for his orchestra and for brass band, like Bavarian brass band. So that was a piece I wrote immediately after September 5, and it was premiered in July now this year, and w… it was huge fun.

26:26Jawad MirThat's good. Y… you said two years ago you started focusing on concert more. Any reason for that?

26:35Lorenz DangelNo, it wasn't really focusing. It was, only that, like, projects came up

26:42Jawad MirI see

26:42Lorenz Dangel... On a, on a level I didn't have before. So it was like, I mean, I'm mainly a film composer. This is what I mainly do. And sometimes, I block some time in my year to write something, some concert music. But these two projects, the ballet music and this piece for this huge ensemble, that was really, like, a very important project for me.

27:12Jawad MirThat's awesome. That's really good to hear. It keeps you balanced too, right? Like, in m… the world's two different worlds, and one inspires the other. September 5th is something that is getting, it's getting a lot of buzz in media, and they're also, you know, I'm guessing the change of the release date has something to do with the Oscar buzz. I have no idea if that's the reason. But with this film coming out and hopefully it getting good reviews and getting good, you know, a lot of award recognition, do you ever foresee yourself doing more, doing music for films in Hollywood or even moving to LA if some opportunity comes?

27:59Lorenz DangelWell, of course, I mean, this for me is a, is a m… probably once in a lifetime chance. You know, it's so interesting to see, to compare the European composers, film composers, to the American film composers. I mean, maybe, Great Britain excluded, but, in all... I mean, especially in Germany, as a film composer, you are a one-man show. You do everything yourself, you know?

28:30Lorenz DangelAnd sit there and orchestrate and whatever you do. Of course, I have some people I work…

28:39Jawad MirYeah

28:39Lorenz Dangel... With for the project. But, a few weeks ago, I was in Ghent at the World Soundtr… Soundtrack Award, and I listened to a panel with, Jeff Russo. And, you know, the composer of the Fargo series.

28:55Jawad MirYep.

28:55Lorenz DangelI really adore this music. I find it really cool. And, in a, in a sort of side, he just mentioned that, he has, like, I don't know, six or seven, people employed throughout the year, you know. And this is something we only dream of in Germany. We don't even have a music editor here. So, of course, we will see what happens. Expectation is low, but yes, of course, this is something I would be really interested in to, you know, to open a new door to some other world.

29:39Jawad MirWell, I hope that happens. And, you know, ju… just to sort of wrap things up, and I… I'm gonna, I'm gonna ask you some... It's not really personal, but please feel free to say no if you don't want to answer it. You know, what is one thing that really excites you about life? Not necessarily music, just in general. It can be about music, but just in general, and one thing that really scares you.

30:09Lorenz DangelFriends and food excites me.

30:14Jawad MirOh, you're in the right place. Berlin has great food.

30:18Lorenz DangelYes. Affordable.

30:20Jawad MirYeah, it is, for sure.

30:22Lorenz DangelYeah, I'd say friends and food and a great cultural environment. That's something that excites me. And what scares me is, our society, to be honest. The development of, you know, all the, all the shifts we see in the world at the moment, and I don't... I really, I struggle with, the observation that a lot of people forgot what humanity is, and to look after each other, and this is something that really scares me.

31:04Jawad MirYeah. No, I agree with the humanity part because I think we live in a world now, i… if you pick up any conversation, there used to be a t… I don't know how it is in Berlin. I... But there used to be this time where people could disagree with each other.

31:26Lorenz DangelYeah.

31:26Jawad MirAnd that's it, and then you move on. But now it's like, I don't know if it's in the media, and that's all you see, but it just feels like everybody's on steroids of anger. You know, if you don't agree with something, then you have to be, like, the enemy. And that's within the same country, even within the same culture, even within the same race, religion, whatever. But I, yeah, I hope that changes. You know, I... Yeah, I hope it cha… And there's no better thing in the world to change that as storytelling, whether it's through music, whether it's through writing, whether it's through making films, and, you're doing that, so that's amazing.

32:06Lorenz DangelYes, I try. But that's really true. I think only art can somehow surprise people sometimes and really touch them. This is a very strong tool, and, I hope all the artists in the world have the possibility to continue with their work, you know?

32:28Jawad MirYeah. No, it's, it's true. It is so true. It's like even, like, you know, you sit down with somebody and you talk to them for three, four hours, you will know more about that person to agree with as opposed to just... Like, you'll have more in common with that person, no matter who it is. Because we all have same problems, we all have same, you know, aspirations, same motivations and what our goals are. But you know, we just tend to hear one 30-second or 10-second bite, and that's it, we're there to judge the world for the rest of our lives.

33:01Lorenz DangelYeah. Yeah.

33:03Jawad MirYou know, you said something about friends and family. So Germany is very different than LA.

33:11Lorenz DangelYeah.

33:11Jawad MirBerlin. Culture-wise, pacing-wise.

33:15Lorenz DangelTraffic-wise.

33:16Jawad MirLA is a... Everything. LA is a complete opposite, right? If that was to happen, which I hope it does, because that's your dream, how would you adapt to that? Because they're completely opposite worlds.

33:29Lorenz DangelThey are. I mean, maybe, you know, I don't want to... How do you, how do you say in English, to…

33:37Jawad MirJin… jinx it?

33:38Lorenz DangelYeah. So, and maybe I don't want to give a statement, whether I'm…... Moving to LA or not, because I was, like 10 days ago, I was, I came to LA, for one week for the first time in my life.

33:54Jawad MirYeah.

33:55Lorenz DangelThat was really interesting, because before I've been in the States, but only in New York mainly, and in… ... Chicago once. And in LA, I realized, okay, I'm really a European. This is really different. And there are great sides, and there are some scary sides, and... But I'm sure, you know, it's the other way around for some people…

34:18Jawad MirYeah

34:19Lorenz Dangel... Who come to Berlin.

34:19Jawad MirYeah.

34:20Lorenz DangelBut…

34:21Jawad MirAll right

34:21Lorenz Dangel... We'll see.

34:23Jawad MirYeah. No, it's, it's... Look, LA is not that bad, but if you have told yourself that it is just work and everybody's there for themselves, and if you've convi… convinced you for that, then you're okay. But if you're expecting, you know, things to be the same as you are back home, like including for me in Toronto, it's very similar to New York and LA, but still at least you have family and friends, then problem arises. But whatever happens for the best.

34:54Lorenz DangelYes.

34:56Jawad MirAmazing. Well, this has been amazing, man. Thank you so much for your time. I really enjoyed the score of September 5th, and I can't wait to see the film. Yeah, I... It's just something I'm really anticipating and looking forward to. I just re-watched Munich a few weeks ago. It's, again, crazy how timely that movie is still. But really looking forward to September 5th. Thank you for doing the work that you did in the film.

35:23Lorenz DangelThanks for having me. Thank you very much.

35:26Jawad MirAppreciate it, sir. Thank you so much. Take care.

35:29Lorenz DangelBye-bye.