'Masters of the Air', Costume Designer, Colleen Atwood

0:08Jawad MirWell, first of all, thank you so much for doing an amazing job on the series, Masters of the Air. I truly enjoyed the entire series as well as your work in it, which is very detailed. So thank you so much for doing that. I appreciate that.

0:27Colleen AtwoodThank you. It was a great job to do. It was really, inspirational to work with all the young guys and to research and, you know, explore the world of the 100th Bomb Squad and all the people that supported it in the UK and the US.

0:44Jawad MirWonderful. How did you get involved on this project, Colleen? I would love to hear the story behind it.

0:50Colleen AtwoodI got involved because I knew the production team from Playtone, Gary Goetzman, I've worked with several times, from back in the Jonathan Demme days and up until the present over the years, and I've done a couple projects with Tom. So that was how I became part of the show.

1:10Jawad MirWonderful. And had you done something similar to, like a World War II or, you know, set in that time period at least?

1:18Colleen AtwoodNo, I'd never done a real war kind of thing at all. I've kind of always wanted to, but I'd never really had the opportunity…

1:27Jawad MirAnd w…

1:28Colleen Atwood... To do that

1:28Jawad Mir... Was that a challenge that you were pretty much take, getting ready to take on, or was there a sense of nervousness involved behind that?

1:38Colleen AtwoodWell, it was a huge project. It's one of… I've done a lot of big things, but it was really one of the biggest projects I've ever done, if not the biggest. So there was like, you know, you wanted to do a good job with what you were dealing with and do it right.

1:52Colleen AtwoodI had military people helping me, but I wanted to also have it look real and look, you know, have it be kind of aged and broken down in a way that I felt that a lot of, war stuff really isn't. So I kind of wanted it to really feel like visceral and good in a way that…

2:17Jawad MirRight

2:17Colleen Atwood... That I can do it. I started on the movie, way ahead of time because I had to make all the leather goods for the show. There weren't enough of them in the world, you know, to dress guys. And so, I started with that, with a company in the UK, called Eastman, and they, manuf… We started with, you know, he had a lot of original samples and things like that, so I could look at all the different styles and different ways that different, leathers were made and sort of research it that way.

2:59Jawad MirI have spoken to Captain Dale Dye twice, once, last year, just about Saving Private Ryan and Band of Brothers and The Pacific, and, spoke to him a few weeks ago as well about obviously this project. How was it working, like, with him? Because you said you d… you know, you worked with the military personnel. I'm assuming it was him.

3:19Colleen AtwoodWell, no, I… Well, I did work with him, of course, but he came in and did ba… s and he was around. But I had a guy that was actually a costumer that worked with military from the UK who… ... Who had been part… whose father had been, lived near where Thorpe Abbotts was and whose family had been sort of part of the American family of Thorpe Abbotts just because they were there. His grandfather was there during the war, and they embraced the American soldiers, and the, and the airplanes and all that, and he'd grown up in that culture, and it was his niche thing. His name is Mark Bauman. But it was his thing that he loved the most in the world. So, it was really, you know, he was really the person in my area of costuming that I relied on as opposed to Dale, who was more into like, you know…

4:18Jawad MirYeah

4:18Colleen Atwood... How everything's set up in the rooms and all that stuff.

4:21Jawad MirYeah.

4:21Colleen AtwoodSo he wasn't really my guy in the sense that Mark was.

4:26Jawad MirGot it. You know, I come from a military family as well, and I have, as a kid, I remember I used to wear a military uniform just, you know, because my dad was in the Army, and it was the cool thing to do at the time. And, you know, the attention to detail i… is just mind-boggling in every part of the series. And I, you know, one thing that I see people talking about online, aside from, you know, the story and the visuals, is obviously the production design, art direction, but more so the costume because a lot of people online used to be in the military or had their grandfathers who were, who had served in the US military or British Army in World War II. So I think y… you truly have hit a home run, your t… entire team, in doing so.

5:11Colleen AtwoodOh, thanks.

5:12Jawad MirAnd you know, it, people take those things for granted. I mean, but it's a whole, wholesome thing, right? And it adds up to the story.

5:20Colleen AtwoodOh, yeah.

5:22Jawad MirAnd the…

5:23Colleen AtwoodAnd it's a lot of moving parts all the time. You know, you're keeping track. You've got, you know, we had over, you know, almost a thousand speaking parts in the show, 300 of which were really featured. So it's a lot of guys in uniforms and their interpretation of them that you're, you know, that you wanna make real.

5:42Jawad MirYeah. And the biggest challenge in any kind of pro… project, you know, is continuity, but especially with these kind of, with this 10-part series or nine-part series, and you have all these costumes and, you know, these outfits, that you have to make sure that to the crease of the outfit, everything stays consistent. How do you, how do you kind of deal with that, obviously aside from having a great team, just to make sure the continuity stays throughout? And it did.

6:15Colleen AtwoodWell, I think the people on set watched it. The actors themselves were very conscious of it, and they kinda built their character on different, you know, aspects of tidiness or untidiness, depending on who they were. Luckily I had the jackets covering a lot of shirts and I, and things like that, which at least that stuff stays pretty much the same. So, it wasn't really, such a big issue as it sounds…

6:44Jawad MirOkay

6:44Colleen Atwood... From the outside.

6:46Jawad MirGot it.

6:46Colleen AtwoodIt's, it's definitely was part of it, but it wasn't really a problem, you know, in that way because everyone kinda self-disciplined themselves in how they wore their costumes.

6:59Jawad MirThat's awesome. That's great to hear.

7:01Colleen AtwoodYeah, they really embraced it.

7:03Jawad MirYeah, I think a lot of it has to do with also when you go through the boot camp training and it teaches you that whole mindset of…

7:10Colleen AtwoodRight

7:10Jawad Mir... Being in the military and just trying to make sure that you're presentable. It just changes everything f… in your head.

7:16Colleen AtwoodYeah. Yeah

7:18Jawad Mir... In, well, you know, you obviously worked for how many years from pre-production to the fin… obviously the production? That's where your part end. Was it, like, three, four years or longer?

7:31Colleen AtwoodNo, not for me. For me, months prep and a nine-month shoot, so it was 18 months.

7:40Jawad MirOkay.

7:40Colleen AtwoodYeah. For…

7:42Jawad MirWhat…

7:42Colleen AtwoodYou know, post-production is, you know…

7:44Jawad MirObviously

7:44Colleen Atwood... Editing and all that stuff…

7:45Jawad MirYeah

7:45Colleen Atwood... Happens after.

7:47Jawad MirYeah.

7:47Colleen AtwoodYeah, so that makes the length of it longer.

7:51Jawad MirRight. What was the most challenging part, whether it was in pre-production that you can remember or in production, that, you know, there are so many, like you said, moving parts. There's always things that go wrong. I mean, when I'm on set working on a film, things go wrong all the time. That's an inevitable thing. What was something that you remember, and how did your team and you overcame that? Any story that you remember specifically?

8:16Colleen AtwoodWell, what happened, I don't have a specific anecdote per se…

8:20Jawad MirSure

8:20Colleen Atwood... Like that, 'cause sometimes it felt like that all the time. But a lot of times what happened is we'd have, we'd be shooting a unit we were prepped for from the first block of directors, and then all of a sudden the second drop block of directors we'd be shooting at the same time.

8:40Colleen AtwoodSo we had to take the guys, you know, halfway through the day and change them into the outfits for the other directors for their scene. So it was a lot of s… of juggling of costume stuff. J… the principles it was pretty good with, 'cause you kinda knew what the background. It was, always a challenge and always a kind of a new thing, and it wasn't something that we knew about ahead of time so much. 'cause as m… many clothes as we had, we al… we never had enough, you know? It was always something. And I really think for me and my team, the biggest challenge was really as you're shooting these huge epics, maybe shooting two or three the same day, you're prepping for the next one, and by the time we got, you know, to the eighth or ninth one, it was so stacked up that we, like, there wa… wasn't enough crew to even do it. It was so big and crazy. And, you know, we're doing Germans over in one corner, Russian somewhere else, and, you know, the Americans on the base somewhere else at the s… the same day with the same crew of people.

9:44Colleen AtwoodSo trying to figure out how to spread everybody around and make it happen was a logistical nightmare.

9:51Jawad MirI bet. How big is your team?

9:55Colleen AtwoodMy team fluctuated from, probably in the beginning it starts q… quite small, but it… ... It fluctuates during shooting.

10:05Jawad MirI'm kinda gonna, going back and forth, I'm gonna shift off from Masters of the Air. Just in general, Colleen, what inspires you? Like, what inspires something for you to work to get ideas? Like, what do you look for? Did you look for any references in any of the past series, Band of Brothers specific, Saving Private Ryan, or anything else? W… what's your process like that when you're given the job? How do you tackle it?

10:33Colleen AtwoodI just, I looked at, anything that had to do with the Army Air, you know, different military for those shows. Test with how they worked and h… were they, you know, what the bases looked like in America, what they looked like in the UK, and the equipment that came from England in the beginning, and how, because we were short of things in the beginning of the war, how we utilized British equipment ma… matched with the American equipment, and then we built it up, and all that part of it was sort of my main research, and just visual research. There's a lot of good research from the Thorpe Abbotts Museum. They have really good archives. So looking at their stuff, which was, you know, the real guys in situ was way more valuable than looking at other movies and stuff to me.

11:32Jawad MirRight. Did you have any family that served in any war or World War II, like…

11:39Colleen AtwoodMy dad was in the Navy in the Pacific in the second World War, and then he also, was in the Korean War in the Aleutian Islands. So he had a double whammy. He got home for, like, two years and then had to go again. So, th… my grandfather was, my great-grandfather was in the Lafayette Esquadrille. He was a pilot in the first World War, which was a whole other thing. But, he was, you know, none of them were military other than in the war. They didn't have a military career or anything.

12:15Jawad MirDid you hear any stories from your dad or your granddad growing up that you kinda remembered?

12:22Colleen AtwoodNever.

12:23Jawad MirNever. They don't talk about it, I know.

12:24Colleen AtwoodNever. No, they didn't talk about it.

12:25Jawad MirMy dad, my still, my dad, I still don't know what he did other than what he did in the office. He never talks about it.

12:30Colleen AtwoodYeah.

12:31Jawad MirYeah.

12:32Colleen AtwoodYeah, my dad would never bring it up. It was just not a thing, you know? He just, I guess he just wanted to forget about it.

12:38Jawad MirYeah. But were there any photographs that you looked at that may have given you any kind of inspiration from his time and his grandfather's time that you, that you may have had?

12:49Colleen AtwoodNot really. I had, like, you know, there's a picture of my dad in like a goofy picture of him and his brother both looking like they were in a, you know, really young in their uniforms. My uncle was in the Air Force and my dad was in the Navy, but it's kind of a ch… brother shot, you know…

13:06Colleen Atwood... Of them. But there wasn't a lot of documentation in the family of milit… military kind of things.

13:14Jawad MirRight. Right. And what was something that you got a, you know, even though your dad and your granddad served in the, Navy and the m… military, as just a human being at an individual level, what did you learn about the whole idea of, you know, soldiers and wars and military?

13:40Colleen AtwoodHow so? I mean, you mean from books or from Hemingway, or from…

13:44Jawad MirNo

13:45Colleen Atwood... You know?

13:45Jawad MirFrom working on the series, like, something that really l… taught you something new that you didn't know before.

13:55Colleen AtwoodWell, I didn't know anything about, you know, I knew that these kids came, were driving a tractor one year, and the next year they were flying airplanes. So that part was, you know, the reality of watching that happen with, even though it was pretend, was something that, you know, you kinda hear about, but you don't really get how devastating…

14:19Colleen Atwood... You know, that experience is for people, I don't think. And I think that's kinda was my takeaway from it, as much as anything, you know?

14:30Jawad MirRight.

14:30Colleen AtwoodIt made me, you know, it made me realize that, you know, that the youth of that generation was really young and really before most Americans ever traveled anywhere in the world. It sort of opened the world to America in a way because they did go overseas and saw something besides their home state, you know, that it really changed how we looked at the world in America.

14:59Jawad MirRight. Right. Was there anything in the pre-production stage when you were doing all the prep work, the, you know, s… research or even when the script was kinda going through the stages it goes through, was there any, one of the things I've read about online, and again, people have opinions, but I'm just kinda curious, that, you know, Band of Brothers is one of those series, I'm not sure if you've seen that, where they do a lot of setup, like how people get into where they get into their backstories a little bit more deeper…

15:30Colleen AtwoodRight

15:30Jawad Mir... As opposed to, as opposed to Master of the Air. You know, you kinda brought up the point about these kids were, you know, farmers and then they kind of were flying planes. Was there any kind of that element in any of the work that you were doing that y… was in the early stages that, then it kinda got shifted over?

15:49Colleen AtwoodNot particularly because they, by the time I got them in the story, they were already in the war. They weren't anywhere else. You know, you didn't have the flashback thing like Band of Brothers or, you know…

16:00Colleen Atwood... That setup.

16:01Jawad MirTo kinda just talk about, I don't wanna talk about any particular scenes because I know we're not allowed to, so I'm gonna stay away from that. We don't wanna give away anything, but episode one…

16:13Colleen AtwoodYeah, you got a lot more to go.

16:14Jawad MirYep. I mean, I wish I could because I've seen the entire series and I absolutely loved it. But episode…

16:21Colleen AtwoodYeah

16:21Jawad Mir... One and two, which is obviously the premiere episode combined into two, w… w… do you remember the first day when you got on the set and the vibe and the feel that you got? Do you remember that experience?

16:37Colleen AtwoodWell, I think that, like, once you got, kinda got everybody there and you were looking at this giant airplane they made for the movie… ... And you kinda went, you know, you just kinda got a feel for the scale of it all, you know? You kinda knew it was coming, but when you k… actually got out there with everybody standing around and figuring out what they were doing and dressed in their thing and getting in the airplanes, you really kinda had a feeling that you were suddenly in this world that you were gonna be in for the next nine months of your life.

17:12Jawad MirYeah. Did you go inside the B17, the model and, you know, at least for a shot?

17:16Colleen AtwoodOh, yeah.

17:17Jawad MirYeah.

17:17Colleen AtwoodI went inside where, when they were building it and stuff when I was in, you know, before it was finished. Because I had to see how the guys were gonna fit in there, like how little space there really was for people. And our, couple of our guys, like Callum's pretty tall, so it was like, you know, here he is in this huge jacket getting in this little tiny space. So it was just like just double checking that everything, you know, we put stuff on people and had them walk through and do stuff to make sure it all worked so when we were really doing it didn't look goofy, you know?

17:52Jawad MirYeah. I mean, it must be an incredible feeling even though it's a, it's a model plane, but it's from another time. Like it's almost, what, 80 years ago now, like, right? And to be in that presence and to have that around you, and then to see all the people that you and your team have put in these incredible costumes, w… was it a very surreal feeling just being in that moment?

18:17Colleen AtwoodI think by the time I got in the moment, I'd been in that moment so many times with the fittings and all that…

18:22Jawad MirSo you…

18:23Colleen Atwood... That it was not a surreal moment

18:24Jawad MirGot it.

18:24Colleen AtwoodIt was a huge relief more than a surreal moment. I mean, it was a, it was a feeling of joy and happiness.

18:31Jawad MirYeah. I bet. And, you know, just like a lot of miniseries, i… including this one, there's different directors, right? The vision is all in one.

18:40Colleen AtwoodCorrect.

18:40Jawad MirRight? The vision is all one, and you kinda talked about that how you were going from location to location. But still, every director brings something new, right? Because they have a different personality, they're different people. How d… not necessarily difficult or easy, but how is it working from here to there and, you know, adjusting to different directors' work ethics and workflows and their personalities?

19:06Colleen AtwoodWell, it was pretty smooth, actually, because we transitioned, you know, quickly and it was just sort of the guys remained the same, the actors and everything was the same.

19:17Jawad MirYeah.

19:17Colleen AtwoodSo we were in a world and these directors would come into it and took, do their angle on the story or their take on their particular thing. And you would just go to them, talk to them, and maybe partly because it was a military thing, so it's uniforms, they would just go, "Just keep doing what you're doing. It looks great. This is what I want. You know, this is what I want. I wanna add that. I'd like this." But it was fairly, it was all very copacetic and pretty... You know, their prep time wasn't that long, so we were ahead of the curve. We were prepared for them before they landed and got there and started, you know, prepping and directing. So they do it. I mean, those guys that do that work are pretty amazing 'cause they do it pretty quickly.

20:01Jawad MirYeah.

20:01Colleen AtwoodLike figuring it out, landing, you know, and start directing it, like a huge, massive people around a gigantic field of storytelling.

20:12Jawad MirRight. You know, filmmaking is a collaborative effort just like, you know, military itself. Like, it's probably, you know, the way the m…

20:19Colleen AtwoodYeah

20:19Jawad Mir... The way, the way the film…

20:21Colleen AtwoodIt's similar

20:22Jawad MirI… it is. It's like a hierarchy of, you know, everybody has their jobs and they have to report to a certain individual who has to report to a certain individual. And, you know, in that, in that frame of mind and especially when you're working with cinematographer and there's a production designer, lighting, how collaborative is it, just as an example, it doesn't even have to be Masters of… It doesn't have to be Masters of the Air. Like, do you remember just working with the other teams, which team were you the most closely working with on the production days?

20:57Colleen AtwoodI think, you know, obviously the director, and, you know, we collaborate closely with the prop department because guns and weaponry and all that stuff is pr… is a prop, not our department. All the different accoutrements, like the gas masks and those things were share, you know, was a shared responsibility. But because of people wore them, we mainly, you know, were dealing with the day-to-day maintenance of them and the things like that. But those were kinda, and the art department just kind of what the sets were like and the mood around the thing. But it was, you know, the interaction day to day was probably mainly with propping, just making sure everything was right and that they had the right stuff for us, we had the right stuff for them and, you know, keeping that moving forward.

21:48Jawad MirRight. And I'm just curious, I'm always curious about people's journeys because we all have our journeys. How did you get in, what inspired you to get into what you do right now? I mean, you've been doing it for quite some time, but do you remember what inspired you to be who you are today?

22:05Colleen AtwoodWell, I think that I always loved movies growing up, but I had no idea, you know, that I would ever or could ever work on one.

22:13Jawad MirYeah.

22:13Colleen AtwoodBut I think that when I, when I was, like, in my early 20s, I w… I became a fan of a lot of the, Italian new wave movies, like El… Ingmar Bergman ... Kurosawa's movies. I started watching movies and I was working in fashion at the time. I'd studied art. I kind of wanted to be an artist, but I had to make a living. So I didn't, you know, pursue that, and I ended up, you know, falling in love with these movies and when the time came and I had a opportunity to move to New York, I moved to New York and, you know, s… started from the ground up, to, begin, you know, begin life working on movies.

23:12Jawad MirRight.

23:12Colleen AtwoodAnd because I'd worked with clothing, it was just the…

23:15Jawad MirThe right fit

23:16Colleen Atwood... Then place to go. Yeah.

23:18Jawad MirYeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's, that's, that's quite, cool. I mean, I think I've spoken to a few costume designers on different projects and more or less they all have the similar th… kind of path that how they love movies and they're doing the fashion…

23:33Colleen AtwoodOh

23:33Jawad Mir... And then you kinda just m… you know, merge the two.

23:37Colleen AtwoodYeah

23:37Jawad Mir... But that's... And, you know, in your career, where you are right now, obviously, you know, you're at a very different place than you were when you began. Do you look back sometimes and, you know, that moment, like how far I've come to be where I am today and obviously the hard work that it took for you to get from there to here? Like, do you cherish those times?

24:02Colleen AtwoodYou know what, I don't think that way. It's just that…

24:06Jawad MirOkay

24:06Colleen Atwood... You know, I'm just, like, grateful, you know, for the life that I have and feel really lucky in the collaborations with different directors and different kinds of people that I've worked with in the world.

24:20Jawad MirRight.

24:20Colleen AtwoodAnd, I think it's really, you know, I'm just super lucky really to be doing what I do, and grateful to people that have helped me in the past. But also I don't spend time like, I'm not very nostalgic, I guess, as a person.

24:40Jawad MirFair enough. That's fine. I mean, you have some immense credits, right? Like, you worked on films like Memoirs of a Geisha with Rob Marshall, Chicago, tons of other stuff that you worked on. And, I think the mo… another one that I remember was the Huntsman. I think it was one of those movies that you did also. I mean, your credit list is huge.

24:58Colleen AtwoodI did two Huntsman's movies. Yeah.

25:01Jawad MirYeah.

25:01Colleen AtwoodNo, I've done a lot of big shows, big shows of all different kinds. So, you know, but always fun and always learning something new and, you know, not getting put in a niche is a really, important part of my life, I think, and my work.

25:20Jawad MirI'm glad you said that because in the film industry, you know, you always get kinda like pigeonholed or timecast… typecasted because if you make one film, then you make another film like that, then that's all you're gonna get. And how do you…

25:34Colleen AtwoodYeah

25:35Jawad Mir... How did you, how were you able to sort of, you know, expand your path into different ways? Was it a lot of nos that you had to do, or you still do, or was it just everything kinda came to you in a very, blessed way?

25:49Colleen AtwoodIt just kinda came to me in a random, you know, happenstance way, you know, with different directors that have different, like Rob did Chicago. He did Memoirs of a Geisha. He did Little Mermaid. You know, the directors, not only me, but the directors that I've worked with, Tim Burton, like those are…

26:06Jawad MirRight

26:06Colleen Atwood... He's all over the place. You know, these guys do all different kinds of movies, so luckily for me, they still wanna hire me on them, then I can do them with them and then you do one kind and suddenly, you know, random stuff resonates with different directors. It's not the obvious always. So, you know, it's always interesting to see where it comes from and, you know, how it pans out. But I think that I've been really lucky in the people that have liked me over the years.

26:42Jawad MirPerfect. Have you seen the entire series, the completed series?

26:46Colleen AtwoodOh, yeah.

26:47Jawad MirOkay.

26:48Colleen AtwoodYeah, I sat and watched it and I did the three hours, like three at a time. I did three, and three, so I've seen the whole thing w… when it was... I haven't seen it on a big screen, but I've seen it in a, on a…

27:00Jawad MirRight

27:01Colleen Atwood... Pretty big TV screen.

27:02Jawad MirYeah. I'm just curious, without talking about the episode specifics, was there anything that, any episode that you enjoyed as an audience and also enjoyed from the standpoint of working on that episode and kind of remembering the backstories behind it, or was it all the same for you?

27:20Colleen AtwoodIt kind of was like a giant movie for me…

27:23Jawad MirYeah

27:23Colleen Atwood... More than an episodic.

27:24Jawad MirI felt the same way.

27:25Colleen AtwoodSo for me it wasn't... Yeah, for me it didn't really, I didn't really have that feeling for it at all. It was a kind of a flow.

27:35Jawad MirAnd did you see it with your, any of your family members or friends, or was it just a…

27:39Colleen AtwoodNo, I s… had just, I saw it at the, you know, where they were editing it by tone.

27:43Jawad MirOh, okay. Okay. Wonderful. Have your fam… I mean, you have got such a great body of work, not that you need to make a point to anybody, especially people around you, like closer to you, but has any of your family members seen, the first two episodes at least? You know, the ones that are on Apple TV plus.

28:00Colleen AtwoodYeah, for sure they all have. They all love it. Yeah, they're all like fans. So they've all watched it and enjoyed it.

28:10Jawad MirWonderful. And what's next for you, Colleen?

28:15Colleen AtwoodWell, I'm working on a, Paul Thomas Anderson movie at the moment, which I'm going…

28:20Jawad MirOh

28:20Colleen Atwood... To the airport to go to set. So, I'm working on that, and I'm working on, I'm doing the costumes for Jennifer Lopez for Kiss of the Spider Woman that Bill Condon's directing.

28:33Jawad MirOh, I'm, I'm a huge Paul Thomas Anderson fan. I mean, who isn't? It's, that's incredible.

28:37Colleen AtwoodYeah, he's special.

28:37Jawad MirIs it the first time you're working with him, or you've worked with him before?

28:40Colleen AtwoodYeah. No, I've never worked with him before.

28:44Jawad MirAnd how is he just as a, I mean, we know, but I just wanna hear it from you because you're working directly with him. How is he different, not in a bad or a good way, from working with other people that you have sort of worked with?

28:56Colleen AtwoodWell, he's a real auteur, so you know, it's, it's his world. He shoots the movie, he writes the movie, he directs the movie. So it's a very, you know, it's a very small, kind of tighter collaboration than with, a lot of other directors.

29:13Jawad MirYeah. And I think, and I don't know if this is correct, I believe it is because I was speaking to, well I saw it, that Beetlejuice 2 is in production, and I spoke to Bo Welch…

29:26Colleen AtwoodYeah, that's it.

29:27Jawad MirOkay. So you are working on it. Okay.

29:30Colleen AtwoodIt's done, though. It's, it's, it's almost, you know, it's, it's, it'll be out in the fall I think, but it's through filming.

29:38Jawad MirOkay, so it's in post-production. What w… again, I don't wanna talk about the film specifically, but you've worked with Tim Burton before. You know, you've seen the Beetlejuice originally. Was that something that experience of working on something like that came out almost, what, 35 years ago I think, if I'm not mistaken?

29:56Colleen AtwoodYeah. Yeah. It was a long time ago.

30:00Jawad MirOkay.

30:01Colleen AtwoodIt was great, you know? It was fun to revisit it and do what we did with it, and I think people are really gonna love what Tim did with the movie. I think it's, it's real… it's really gonna be funny.

30:12Jawad MirWonderful. Well, I'm looking forward to, Paul Thomas Anderson movie. I think that stars DiCaprio and Sean Penn.

30:19Colleen AtwoodYeah

30:19Jawad Mir... And, really excited about that. But thank you so much, for first of all giving your valuable time.

30:24Colleen AtwoodThank you. Sorry about my bad technology.

30:27Jawad MirNo. No, I really appreciate the fact that you're on your way to the airport, and you're still giving the time, so it really means a lot. Thank you so much.

30:35Colleen AtwoodAll right. Thank you. Take care.

30:37Jawad MirI hope you enjoyed this episode. Thank you so much for watching and listening. Don't forget to subscribe, like, share, and comment, and do come back for another episode. Until then, have a great day.